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Retailer calls rivals' bluff on "HDMI scam"

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By Nicole Kobie

Posted on 5 Jul 2011 at 09:14

Upstart retailer Kogan is threatening to shame retailers who attempt to sell expensive HDMI cables.

The Australian electronics firm - which opened shop in the UK at the beginning of the year - is attempting to shame rivals such as Currys and John Lewis for pushing customers to buy overpriced HDMI cables for their new televisions.

Kogan is offering TV buyers a free HDMI cable with proof of TV purchase from one of its competitors, to prove that its £4 cable is as good as the £20, £50 and £100 alternatives on sale at rival stores. It may even extend the offer to PC buyers.

"When you buy a TV from John Lewis, Currys, or countless other high street stores, you will be offered hideously expensive accessories such as HDMI cables," the company said in a blog post. "These cables are sold with absolutely ridiculous markups, many multiples of the actual cost of the items."

"These stores are trying to trick people into thinking they need an HDMI lead costing over £100 after buying a Full HD TV. This is simply not the case. You shouldn't be spending more than £4 on an HDMI cable," it said.

"An HDMI cable is an HDMI cable," Kogan added. "It's a digital cable. You either get a picture or you don't. Don't get conned into buying a 'fancy' HDMI cable because it will make no difference!"

A Kogan spokesperson said the deal may eventually be extended to PC buyers, but said TV sales were the "main realm where the scam is occurring". "If this starts occurring more and more with tablets and PCs, Kogan will certainly consider broadening the campaign," the spokesperson said.

Variety of prices

John Lewis and Currys-parent DSGi denied the upselling claims, saying they helped customers buy the "right" cable.

"We sell a large range of HDMI cables with different specifications and prices tailored to our customers' needs," said a spokeswoman for DSGi's retail arm. "Our entry level HDMI cable is currently on sale at £7.99 and our most expensive cable is at £100.99."

"In the rapidly changing technologies that surround TV we have highly trained staff in store to guide customers to making the right choice for their TV," she claimed. "It's not just about the quality of signal and image that HDMI cables can provide, particularly in higher-end televisions, it is also about the protection from interference and the long-time durability of the cables."

A spokeswoman for John Lewis echoed that response, saying the retailer offered a "wide range of options" with cable prices starting from £20 to £99. “Each of our HDMI cables offers excellent quality and value for money, and by providing our customers with a range of different cables which offer different specifications, we are able to help them find one to suit their specific needs, with features such as different cable lengths, ultra slim and high speed," she said.

"We advise customers to consider purchasing an HDMI cable which matches the quality of their television's components," she added. "For instance, a cable suitable for a premium 3D TV would not be required for many of our mid-range TVs. We pride ourselves on offering excellent customer service, and will always aim to advise our customers to buy the product that is right for them.”

HDMI cables on the latest 1.4 specification should work for any TVs, including 3D models. The HDMI spec is split out into five different types to make buying easier for consumers; the cable on offer from Kogan is the top rated "high-speed HDMI cable with Ethernet".

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User comments

"For instance, a cable suitable for a premium 3D TV would not be required for many of our mid-range TVs."

Bulls**t! An expensive one wouldn't be required for the premium 3D TV either.

By malfranks2 on 5 Jul 2011

About time...

Next... the ridiculous price that the same stores charge for USB cables.

By artiss on 5 Jul 2011

Don't forget...

...ethernet cables too. I've seen a 10m Ethernet patch cable in PC World for about 40 quid. You can get the same thing off the internet for about 10% of that, delivered.

By Grace_Quirrel on 5 Jul 2011

Tvs ?

Next thing you know, sure all tvs are digital, the quality must be the same on all of them then...

By markdj on 5 Jul 2011

They should teach this stuff in schools!

By tom502 on 5 Jul 2011

Hocus pocus

If anyone wants to buy some snake oil, I've got a few bottles left. Only £1,500 each. Absolutely guaranteed to do stuff.

By RobPomeroy on 5 Jul 2011

HDMI Cable Quality Tests?

There are circumstances where this quality has validity e.g. Hi-Fi speaker cables and interconnects but perhaps that is in an anologue world. Perhaps, Nicole, you could do some testing after being let out from the Podcast studio each week ;-)

By davidprice4 on 5 Jul 2011

Well an easy comparison

well an easy comparison before you go and buy things at retailers should prevent you being ripped off. and the overpriced crap that they sell is actually unbelievable how they are still in business considering amazon sells half the stuff for much much less. my camera was around 350 pounds in store, online (from amazon) for 180 pounds, so why do you think there is the price difference. Well cost of employees at the store who "know" everything about the product (or not), "here how can we help you", "well whats a good tv here" "well this very expensive one is full hd and supports things normal customer does not know about and cannot compare so we just tell you its good and you will pay us high amounts of money for a tv which we really needed to sell before the new model comes in" "oh ok"

By mobilegnet on 5 Jul 2011

HDBaseT

I think all TVs should have HDBaseT

http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/359221/hdbaset-another
-hdmi-killer-emerges

This would allow 100m cat5 cables to be used.

On the Speaker cable from the best cable I have used is cable us wire up a cooker with.

By hadphild on 5 Jul 2011

"it is also about the protection from interference and the long-time durability of the cables."

1. Unless the cable is passing through an area with a high EM field, I doubt you'd see much difference between them.
2. You'd probably save more money replacing HDMI cables than buying an expensive cable.

These people must love ignorant people.

By tech3475 on 5 Jul 2011

@davidprice4

I'm not using my post-podcast time to test cables; that's when I go for lunch. :)

Our lovely laptops editor Sasha Muller directed me to this insanely detailed HDMI test, though: http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/long-h
dmi-cable-bench-tests

By Nicole_Kobie on 5 Jul 2011

There's a 2.5m HDMI cable on Amazon - oxygen free , 24k gold plated, ferrite core .... for just under £10,000. Hurry, they only have 8 left in stock, order soon ! http://goo.gl/VMECV

By owainmorris on 5 Jul 2011

Denon AK-DL1 $500 network cable

http://bit.ly/dzimB2

By malfranks2 on 5 Jul 2011

Too Lazy.

Haven't we had this discussion before? There was an article on this site about a guy insisting that better 'quality' SATA cables gave better better audio. IIRC, the guy was harassed so much about his original blog post he removed it from his blog. As my title suggests, I too lazy to root it out.

By synaptic_fire on 5 Jul 2011

@synaptic_fire The link's in that little box on the bottom right of the story. I guess no-one notices those?

By Nicole_Kobie on 5 Jul 2011

liars and thives

I work near a currys store and regularly get customers telling how they bought the latest HDMI cable. what I find shocking is the lies used to con people out of their money.
I my self was told that an expensive HDMI cable will give me fullhd while a cheap one will give sd quality. Worse they told me I need a £100 cable for my PS3. when I confronted them they changed their story.

stores like currys don't care their own employees have told me their job is to squeeze every penny out of people by any means.

By firstsin on 5 Jul 2011

Alternative

"There's a 2.5m HDMI cable on Amazon - oxygen free , 24k gold plated, ferrite core .... for just under £10,000. Hurry, they only have 8 left in stock, order soon ! http://goo.gl/VMECV

Read more: Retailer calls rivals' bluff on "HDMI scam" | News | PC Pro http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/368461/retailer-calls-
rivals-bluff-on-hdmi-scam#ixzz1REK1Mb1s
"

Alternatively you could buy a quarter of a kilo of gold bullion from here: https://www.ukbullion.co.uk/productDetails/1694 and still have enough money to buy 551 £4 cables from Kogan (in case one goes wrong...)

By jazzrobot on 5 Jul 2011

Conclusion - HDMI Scam

Reading the test article as found by Sasha Muller, it does say some cables are of higher quality, yes.
However, two things to note
- as usual, price does not guarantee quality
And - most importantly - quote "At lengths less than 4 meters you can just about use silly string (OK, not really) and get HDMI to pass at any current resolution. At less than 3 meters you'll even extend that to 12-bit color and possibly the next crazy idea HDMI Licensing decides to throw at consumers. Don't spend a lot on these cables and if you want to save money you won't let anyone at a big box store talk you into buying from them."

::How far is your TV from your Blu-ray player?

::What's that you say? 2.5m for £9,936? Gosh, that must be even better than those 'cheap' £100.99 2m cables in Currys...

I think tech3475 is spot on - not only love, but are completely reliant upon them

By greemble on 5 Jul 2011

The scam is not including the cable with the product -- TV, printer etc -- in the first place. We're talking about something as essential to using it as the power cord and you have to buy it separately.

By steviesteveo12 on 5 Jul 2011

John Lewis losing the plot

If John Lewis think £20 represents good value as the entry-point they've lost all touch with reality. AmazonBasics 3M HDMI = £4.99

By simon_earle on 5 Jul 2011

Even speaker cables don't matter...

There's a test from the same audiophiles site where they used a pair of coat hangers as speaker cables and nobody could tell the difference. and these are guys who have £100,000 professional audio setups in their house.

Anyone who has a basic understanding of electronics knows gold plated and oxygen free is virtually pointless.

The only times cable quality matters, is whe nrunning over very long distances, or when it comes to durability, and this only applies if like a professional; you unplug and move your cables about a lot. (cheap copper/any metal doesn't have as much flex in it and will break eventually if jiggled about enough)

By Anonymouse on 5 Jul 2011

Meaning behind the quote? and @steviesteveo12

"We sell a large range of HDMI cables with different specifications and prices tailored to our customers' needs."

By "needs" I assume they mean "wallet and gullibility".

@steviesteveo12 - I would prefer cables not to be included but it must be made clear this is the case - why pay for an included cable if you may already have one?

By halsteadk on 5 Jul 2011

@halsteadk

I agree about making it clear. It's often hidden until you open the box.

Well, I can see not wanting to pay £100 for a cable if you already had one but that's more because HDMI cables are ridiculously overpriced.

I think if the price of cabling had more relation to its cost of production then it should become the equivalent of complaining today that TVs include a mains plug because you already have a spare plug at home.

By steviesteveo12 on 5 Jul 2011

@Nicole_Kobie

Turns out I should have titled that post. Too Stupid, not Too Lazy

By synaptic_fire on 5 Jul 2011

I've a colleague who use to work for one of the major electrical retailers and always tells us about the masssive markup on cables.

Always reminds me of 1.8m USB cable priced at £15 at PCW. Same cable at Tesco about £5 and online for less than a quid.

By bazzer on 5 Jul 2011

load of spinach?

so definitively, all this tosh about the cable's being able to support different bandwidths and resolutions is just a load of old cobblers?

By khellan on 6 Jul 2011

For anyone that wants to feed their OFC and 24k Gold plated cable habit there is a link currently showing on the product page for the 10K HDMI cable for a £3.99 cable with all of the above, its even shielded. Only thing it doesn't have is the ferrite cores on the end, but fully shielded cable doesn't really need ferrites anyway.

By Shuflie on 6 Jul 2011

Says it all really...

That DSG Group's entry-level cable is twice the cost of Kogan's. Every credit to Kogan but to be honest I don't have a great deal of sympathy with people who are stupid enough to pay £100 for a piece of wire in the first place. The obvious thing to do would be to buy one online from ebay/amazon and if it doesn't do the job send it back. I bought one a couple of years ago for less than £5 delivered on ebay when the expensive one (£60 at the time from Currys but given to me free when I bought the TV after I threatened to cancel the sale) failed after a few weeks, the actual socket separating itself from the cable. The ebay one shows no difference in picture quality on my expensive 1080p Sony TV than the £60 Currys one did, and has so far lasted over 2 years, with no discernible reason why it should fail.

By coolcity on 7 Jul 2011

My Experience

All I can say is that I bought a £5.00 cable when I bought a Sony DVD recorder to go with a Sony Bravia HD TV. When I played my first recording back, there was a ghosting of the other TV show I watching at the time of recording. A more expensive cable fixed the problem.

By wagham on 7 Jul 2011

@wagham???

Why would hdmi have any influence on recording???

The DVD isn't recording the signal on the TV, it has it's own decoder??? It would have recorded even if you didn't have a HDMI lead.

Granted some of the cheap HDMIs will be duff but I have seen the same brands in DSG sold at more than 400%

By imaginarynumber on 7 Jul 2011

wagham

Should have tried replacing it with another the same - probably unlucky faulty cable first time.

By taylordjn on 7 Jul 2011

@wagham

And another cheap cable would likely have fixed the problem, too.

Especially on a DVD, which isn't even HD

By greemble on 7 Jul 2011

@wagham

If the ghosting was recorded together with the wanted programme, the fault was in the recorder. The fact that the more expensive cable suppressed the ghost data indicates that it was actually worse at transmitting data than the cheap cable, such that the lower level ghost data was lost!

By ianlinden on 7 Jul 2011

The problem with really cheap cables is in quality control as much as anything you may get a good one or a bad one. More expensive cables are generally more consistent. The transmission of very high frequency digital signals is not straight forward the signals rely on critical timings and levels. A square pulse is never square in transmission. The frequencies involved in digital transmission are orders of magnitude greater than those in analogue and the cable becomes more critical, it is only the intrinsic self correcting capacity of the signal that enables things to still work. At the limit even those will fail. I am not advocating cables costing hundreds but I could see there being a difference between a £25 cable and a £3 one unless the £25 cable had an additional £22 mark up. A cable that costs £4 retail probably costs

By Sirmetin on 7 Jul 2011

Cables!

I got my HDMI cable from Ebay for £1.98 inc. postage.

Works fine.

Also the 99p store sells USB and Sat cables, but not HDMI.

Its like when CDs came out and they sold green felt tip pens to colour the edge of your CD to make it play better and acoustic mats to go under your CD player.

What a con.

KJR

By snuggle on 7 Jul 2011

Oops too long - 50p at the factory gate and one which retails for £25 should be £10-15 at the gate at least. Giving far more leeway to make a better cable. Ever lower volumes at the higher end mean diminishing returns and small improvements start to cost exponentially more.

By Sirmetin on 7 Jul 2011

Had first hdmi cable failure last week...

Cost me £39.99 from a reputable dealer, and that was over 2 years ago, mind you it is 15 metres long. Only failed because office cleaner pulled large screen monitor out to clean behind, and this bent the plug, couldnt get it fixed easily, so just installed a new one, same length but this time only £25.00. 
I have never had a short hdmi cable fail, even the ones I bought from Home Bargains and they are plugged in ever time I connect my laptop to my monitor, or iPad to same, and at a cost of less than £2.00 indeed they have even been stress tested by having me stand on the plug on more than one occassion and still no sign of failure, even with 16 stone on them.
So lets all go out and buy a £100 hdmi cable today, safe in the knowledge that it will out last our £2.00 version by at least 50 times. We can all then sleep happy knowing that in a little over a century, the cable will still be as good as the day it was superceeded by newer technology.
I don't feel sorry for the mugs that think paying £100 for a cable is good, because obviously it MUST be better, but I do feel sorry for the vast numbers of people who simply believe what the salesmen/conmen tell them.

By markcr6 on 7 Jul 2011

Massive mark-up on accessories / cables

I used to work at a computer shop, we sold cables at a mark-up of around 20-30% (so a printer cable was £2.50). A new store manager joined who used to work at a very well known chain and instantly increased the price to £9.99+. That way, when selling a printer, we could "value add" and give a free printer cable if we needed to close the deal.

It's extremely common practice to add a huge mark-up on cables because the public do not know better (and it makes up for the 10%-20% profit margin on the components etc).

By computer16_2000 on 7 Jul 2011

Expensive cable was true in days of analogue, but not now we have digital...

Kogan is fully right about this bull that companies like Comet and Curry's are coming out with.

The confusion all comes down to years ago when audio and video was sent via analogue. Because it was sent as an analogue waveform then weak cable could produce distortion in the sound (hence the reason why speaker cable should always be top quality for top quality sound, because even today speakers still receive sound through analogue.

However with cables like HDMI and SP/DIF all the information for the sound and picture is sent along it as 1's and 0's, same way digital TV and digital radio is sent, and as long as the equipment at the other end can receive and distinguish between what is a high signal (1) and what is a low signal (0) the quality of the cable doesn't matter what so ever.

There is one slight issue though, and funny enough it mainly affects the "high quality" £100+ cables. It is to do with the metal they are made out of. Many cheap TV brands use a cheap metal on their HDMI connectors, many expensive HDMI leads use gold or gold plating on the end. The problem is that Gold plated cables and the cheap metal connectors on the back of some TV's have been known to react together causing slight corrosion over a period of time. This causes interference to the 1's and 0's, thus making the expensive cables produce a worse picture than what you would get off a cheap cable, and also damaging the connectors on the TV set in the process. It is very important to check when buying a cable that if the TV you have has gold plated HDMI inputs, buy a gold plated cable that way the metals wont react, and if it's got standard metal, like alloy, or steel just get a standard metal HDMI cable, most TV's only use standard metal connectors as even TV manufacturers know it doesn't make any difference at all and it costs them less.

By TheKLF99 on 7 Jul 2011

ANSWER this, Price vs Quality

Based on this article that means all the HIFI and TV reviews in mags and on-line are either lying, wrong or the reviewers are stupid.
Are you trying to say that this £10 cable http://www.whathifi.com/review/falcon-hdmi-15m%29 is no worse than this £300 cable http://www.whathifi.com/review/van-den-hul-ultimat
e/specs or even this £90 cable http://www.whathifi.com/review/van-den-hul-flat-18
0/specs ...????

As for being "conned" by retailers with their mark-ups on add-ons, well we ALL bring this on ourselves, we sit on the PC shopping and searching the the cheapest possible price on products that shops have to try and retain some margin somewhere.
Everyone who has moaned about that would do the SAME if it was your own business and that was the only way you could keep a roof over your head and feed your family.

Lets see what comments follow now..!?

Oh, and I don't work in retail or have a retail business. Just have a little common sense.

By smattyone on 7 Jul 2011

Pound Shop

For the grand total of £1 you can get 50cm and 1m HDMI cables in our local Poundshop. Can't say I can see any issues with the quality.

By Ip_pete4646e21a2 on 7 Jul 2011

1 pound

I got all of my HDMI cables for not much more than 1 pound,delivered.

By Leven2e on 7 Jul 2011

@smattyone

You're using a review of one cheap cable that turned out to be no good to assume that all are rubbish, that's hardly common sense is it?

Try this review: http://www.audioholics.com/education/cables/long-h
dmi-cable-bench-tests/evaluation-conclusion

They find that almost any cable will work at lengths less than 4-5 metres, but you need to pick your cables for quality if you need to do longer cable runs. Even then there's no direct price-to-quality relationship - some of the expensive ones were also rubbish.

None of this refutes the claims made in the article - Currys et al are selling short HDMI cables of only 1 or 2 metres length for insane markups when a 5 pound cable off Amazon will do the job just as well. These stores have always had rip-off markups on cables and other acessories, it's only now that a lot of people shop online that these scams are being exposed, and anyone with an ounce of common sense would see that that's a good thing.

By happyskeptic on 7 Jul 2011

£100 ???

A couple of years back I bought from the web a *15m* cable to run from downstairs to upstairs via a dist box. Branded, gold plated and guaranteed to run at the latest standards and I have to say it has been faultless. Cost? £45, and I thought that would be the most I would ever see a cable for. How they can justify £100 for a short cable is beyond me.

Just one other thing though. Never buy too cheap, the one cheap cable I had ('free with a piece of kit') has been the only item to cause issues in what is a fairly complex HDMI setup.

By Vimto on 7 Jul 2011

@ TheKLF99

You are both right and wrong in your assumption.

Yes, the data being transmitted is digital, but it has to be transmitted as analogue voltages, because copper cannot transmit a "1" or a "0", only voltage low or voltage high.

Now of course, with enough headroom in the cable, the transitions between low and high should be nice and crisp, allowing for error free decoding, but as the cable's capacitance increases (either with increased length or [markedly] decreased quality) those transitions begin to become less crisp (high frequency roll-off) and as the digital transfer rate increases (e.g. dual channel HDMI for 3D requires faster transmission than single channel) that high frequency roll-off can indeed begin to impinge on the "cleanness" of the analogue signal used to carry the digital data.

With speaker cables, there will be little of interest above 20KHz (hornets' nest, I realise) and yet you advocate using very high quality cabling here. For digital transmission, the frequencies concerned may be well above that value, so is not low capacitance, properly shielded cabling also of use here too?

The answer is "yes, it is!", although it is likely that a cable costing a fiver will suffice over a short run.

Could it be that the expensive analogue cables are even more of a rip-off? Could be!!

By PaleRider on 7 Jul 2011

The Truth and Nothing But the Truth...Honest

'Digital works or it doesn't'.. Nonsense sir or madam.
Currys etc are ripping off the public with so caled 'High End' HDMI cables. . Correct sir or madam. (That DOES NOT mean that a decent HDMI cable won't make a 'viewable and audible difference') Without mentioning names, there are more 'rubbish' cables than good ones.

'Massive Mark Up' 20 or 30% is NOT massive mark up...in fact it is virtually neccessary to guarantee that one stays in business. Get REAL sir or madam!
80-90% IS massive though (e.g. Rip Off)! This is wthe mark up that the above mentioned chain stores use to price many of their cabels.

I talk TOTALLY and ABSOLUTELY from experience. Come into my shop and take me to task all you 'engineers'.

By Mikem56 on 7 Jul 2011

@ TheKLF99

Sorry - I didn't fully read your comment before I replied. I should not have directed my comment above to you specifically.

By PaleRider on 7 Jul 2011

wow Mikem56

sit down and have a cup of tea, before you spring a leak or something.

By PaleRider on 7 Jul 2011

@smattyone

Firstly I used to own an independant videogame store and we sold good quality scart cables for a fiver at 400% mark up ..
When we sold one for this price along with a Playstation 2 we made more profit on the cable than the PS2.
But we did find other ways to make a profit without ripping ignorant and vulnerable customers off and lying to them..

There are a few points here firstly do we really need ignorant stores like Curry's and John Lewis to lie to us. They are not innovating but in fact are somewhat of a waste of space.
Secondly you assume that the public want to "donate" to put a roof of these salespeople's heads.
Thirdly most of the profit will in fact go to rich directors and shareholders not the underpaid sales staff..



So I think you are wrong on all counts. I don't dispute that some audio cables are better than others but surely there are weaker parts of a system than the minor difference between say a 30 pound and a 300 pound cable...and in the case of this article with HDMI cables there is probably no difference. If these stores want to profit they need to innovate or die.. face it most of the UK chainstore highstreet is looking pretty tired now.

As for your final comment maybe you are right about only having a little common sense.

By dspink on 7 Jul 2011

ron

Why do they keep saying that it is only a digital signal? A square wave is made up of an infinite number of frequencies

By ronwh on 7 Jul 2011

Vast profit is one thing - dishonesty is another

I think if Currys etc want to make a profit in this way then that is fine - people have the ability to shop around and see if they're getting a good deal. If they're buying a TV and a cable together, then they could easily save the £30 cost of a vastly overpriced cable by shopping around for the TV anyway.

But staff MUST not be lying or making up "facts" out of ignorance to customers (eg that they will only get SD with a cheap HDMI cable as an earlier commenter had experienced).

By halsteadk on 7 Jul 2011

@ ronwh

True, but one can be approximated with acceptable accuracy for hi/lo discrimination (with zero false triggers) with relatively few harmonics.

By PaleRider on 7 Jul 2011

It's all BS

As an retired electronics engineer, I remember doing some experiments in the mid 70s. We ran over several kilometres of ordinary 4 core telephone cable, the stuff you use for house wiring, round and round the labs where I worked. It worked fine as a digital transmission medium. You don't need anything more expensive than the cheapest HDMI cables for any current TV set unless you have a particularly long run. I use the cheapest, they work fine. .

The same applies to most HiFi and mains cables as well. Anyone who tells you that they can hear or see the difference between such cables is deluded by the price and hasn't taken part in a blind listening / viewing test.

By pjajennings on 7 Jul 2011

Whats new!

I have been arguing this for years, the price all these stores charge for cables should be investigated by the government. I often wondered if I stood outside the DSG stores with an old fashioned match tray selling basic cables I could go for a 100% markup and clean up.

The trouble is the average sheep that buys from these stores actually believes the drivel they are told. I also have tried various cables as speaker cable and apart from when using bell wire on a high powered system there was no difference.

When PC world was selling its own brand 1.8m USB cable for £12.99 the local electronics warehouse was selling the exact same cable for £1.80 even down to the imprint in the cable itself.

As for "highly trained staff", that is even more drivel than the sales pitch itself. It used to be a favorite game to bait the staff in these shops to come out with absolute trash but it was too easy, to me I had more respect for the salesman who would admit he did not know than those who tried to bluff it out.

As for the markup it is only fair that small value items have very high markup percentages as the cost difference of selling something at £10 has relatively little variation from something sold at £500, just don't lie about it.

By MIssingLink on 7 Jul 2011

Sometimes it seems to matter!

I have a WD TV Live and it will not display on my Sony TV if I use a generic HDMI cable (it was prob from Argos). Once I used a Belkin 1.3 cable (albeit £20, not £100) it worked perfectly. Unfortunately, discovering this took a while as there was nothing on Help or FAQ sites (although many individuals were posting similar display errors, so it probably wasn't just me) and I even had the "faulty" box replaced once before realising the cause.

By speedykit on 7 Jul 2011

@speedykit

....could it have been that the generic cable wasn't HDMI v1.3 capable?

By jontym123 on 8 Jul 2011

SONY's Bravia Connect

My dvd player won't display correctly on my ASUS HDMI monitor, using a £4 hdmi cable bought on ebay.

Picture is plagued with noise at the left and right hand side. Is this Sony's bravia connect or a combination of rock-bottom technology revealing their weaknesses?

By technogeist on 8 Jul 2011

andaroo

a cheap and nasty cable from amazon for around £4 resulted in HDCP error messages on my apple tv2, saying it either works or it doesnt, this one didnt. £4 well spent i reckon. £99.99? never"!

By andaroo79 on 8 Jul 2011

Apologies for the double post!!

all I did was refresh the page. doh!

By technogeist on 8 Jul 2011

Apologies for the double post!!

all I did was refresh the page. doh!

By technogeist on 8 Jul 2011

cheap cables...

There is a perfectly good quality HDMI cable over at Novatech for £1.99 with great reviews... I wouldnt pay any more than I have to for the thing that lives behind my TV set and doesnt get seen for 5 years until I change the TV again...

http://www.novatech.co.uk/novatech/prods/cables/au
dio/visualcables/C065.html

By redman on 8 Jul 2011

The Emperor's new clothes comes to mind.

By Bredebahn on 9 Jul 2011

Some Mothers do have em!

PaleRider: -

"Yes, the data being transmitted is digital, but it has to be transmitted as analogue voltages, because copper cannot transmit a "1" or a "0", only voltage low or voltage high."

Ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha...

Go for that job at Curries, you already know more than 99% of thier staff.

Wonderful.....

By dholbon on 10 Jul 2011

adding my vote to pc pro doing some testing ( and then relishing the publicity)

By blagger123 on 11 Jul 2011

Which magazine has done tests

just found "which magazine" have already tested this feb 2010

http://www.which.co.uk/news/2010/02/no-need-for-ex
pensive-scart-and-hdmi-leads-204691/


The answer no difference between Tesco Value lead (£9.97), the John Lewis lead (£19.50) or the Belkin lead (£99.99)

except the price of course

( scart cables were different though )

By blagger123 on 12 Jul 2011

insane

its insane what top hdmi sellers do with prices and why people belive that expensive staff is better :)

i ve got the best hdmi cable ever bought. ordinary, checked and not expensive ! its 5 m hdmi cable from connection lab http://www.connectionlab.co.uk/

By ironneny on 11 Jul 2013

Get a good quality for a good price!

I see some people already use cables by connectionlab. Well done you! My friend recommended me this brand saying you get a good price and a good quality. Now I wasn't sure about it so I've checked for any online reviews about connectionlab. Surprisingly people were over the moon with connectionlab so I said - yes, this is what I want! In case you haven't heard about this brand here is their webpage: http://www.connectionlab.co.uk/products/hdmi-cable
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By michelle483 on 17 Jul 2013

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