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With the backing of investors including Amazon, his company Wikia has developed Wikia-Search, a collaborative search engine that allows users to influence the rankings.
As Wikia Search hits its first-month anniversary, we catch up with Wales to chat about his vision for internet search.
Why does the world need Wikia Search? And how will it make that statement? If we're successful at figuring at how to get lots of people involved, lots of human judgement involved in a productive way, we might actually surpass that quality and solve some of the problems of search. But that's obviously a dream for the future - the first stage is just to replicate what the major players are doing. How long do you think that will take? But if the relevance isn't there now, how are you going to keep people coming back? But if you publish your algorithm, what's to prevent people gaming the results?
Wikia Search is as much a political statement as anything else. We want to show that it's possible to have good, decent quality search with open-source software and community participation. If we can do that it means we don't have all the secrecy around search that we've had in the past. We'll see if that's true or not. Obviously, I have to build it first.
The main thing is putting the editorial control in the hands of the community, that's one of the core principles. Doing it all with open-source software, so that we publish all the algorithms - I think that's important. If you look at the results of Google, Yahoo, Ask, they're very similar these days and we need to hit that level of quality otherwise we're not very interesting.
I think it'll take a good three years, but that's just a figure I made up for my feel of what the product is going to entail. But we'll be looking at search quality in six months and again in a year.
We need to get there pretty quickly in terms of getting some decent relevance and then we need to have tools that people find useful. For example, we'll be coming out with a toolbar soon that people can use for social bookmarking, so basically tools that people can use to give us the information we need that aren't necessarily tied up with doing searches on the site. That's part of our early approach.
It's the concept of the social network. If you look at the amount of true spam you get on Facebook, it's basically zero, because you have a community of trust and people get bounced out pretty quickly if they're misbehaving. And that's the approach we're looking at, broadly speaking.
The real concern about people gaming the algorithm is that they're doing something through a variety of links and a variety of sites and through various keywords; they're doing something to trick the search engine and it's pretty hard to trick humans. If I do a search and the result I get is not what I wanted, then it's not what I wanted - it's pretty hard to game that.
But in order for that to work, you need a large userbase. How's take-up been so far?
Cranking along. Obviously we had a huge spike of traffic in the first days because of the unreal amount of press coverage. It's come down to be a little more sane now and we've lots of stuff under way. We're pleased with the progress, but we're not really giving out metrics right now.
Do you have targets you're trying to hit, or numbers of users you think you'll need to make the collaborative feature work?
We mostly play it by ear, and wing it as we go along. We're looking at the number of people coming for accounts, the number of friendships, people linking to each other in the social networking part, the number of daily queries, number of daily votes. We're basically gathering data right now, and thinking about how to change what we're doing.
It sounds like an experiment - is that fair?
Yeah, sure.
Did that element come up with your investors?
Wikia Search is only one of our projects. We have several thousand wikis which are going very quickly and that community space is growing. Wikia Search could become very important to the business but at the moment it's just the part that's most interesting in terms of press coverage but... yeah, the investors know I'm going to do interesting, crazy stuff, they just hope I make it popular.
And profitable, presumably. Do you have any plans to earn revenue from the site?
We're planning to have advertising in the search results. We don't have any particularly innovative plans around that. One of the great things Google has done for the internet is pioneering keyword-relevant text-based ads, which has really meant wonderful things for the internet. [As for a time-frame], I have no idea. that's Gil's [Penchina, CEO of Wikia] job. My job is to make it good, make it popular and then somebody else can monetise it.
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