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		<title>The world&#8217;s most ridiculous Terms &amp; Conditions?</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2010/06/29/the-worlds-most-ridiculous-terms-conditions/</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jun 2010 13:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim Danton</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Even though I generally like the hardware Apple produces, I’m not a huge fan of Apple’s way of doing business, and in particular its habit of tying you into its systems. For precisely that reason, I’ve never bought an Apple device: nary an iPod, an iPhone or a Mac.
However, we currently have two Apple iPhone [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even though I generally like the hardware Apple produces, I’m not a huge fan of Apple’s way of doing business, and in particular its habit of tying you into its systems. For precisely that reason, I’ve never bought an Apple device: nary an iPod, an iPhone or a Mac.</p>
<p>However, we currently have two Apple iPhone 4s on loan in the office, with our reviews editor Jon Bray grabbing one and me the other, and that means for the first time I’ve come face to face with the iTunes Store Terms &amp; Conditions and Apple’s Privacy Policy.</p>
<p>I first met this on the iPhone 4 itself. I wanted to download an app, so clicked on the option to set up a new iTunes Store account. And that’s when I was faced with this screen (photographed by the other iPhone 4, just for the record):</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/AppleiTunesStoretermsandconditionsontheiPhoneitself.jpg"><img style="border-right-width: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 10px; display: inline; border-top-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px" title="Apple iTunes Store terms and conditions on the iPhone itself" src="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/AppleiTunesStoretermsandconditionsontheiPhoneitself_thumb.jpg" border="0" alt="Apple iTunes Store terms and conditions on the iPhone itself" width="464" height="347" align="left" /></a></p>
<p><span id="more-18868"></span>As you can see, Apple expects me to read 99 pages of terms and conditions. When I click Agree, I’m asked to confirm “I have read and agree to the iTunes Store Terms &amp; Conditions”. Right, of course I have.</p>
<p>But I’m being unfair, I told myself. It’s only 99 pages on the iPhone; I bet if I try to set up a new account online it’s far fewer pages to scroll through. So, I fired up iTunes, followed the wizard and was greeted by this:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/AppleiTunesStoretermsandconditionsviaiTunes.png"><img style="border-right-width: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 10px; display: inline; border-top-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px" title="Apple iTunes Store terms and conditions via iTunes" src="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/AppleiTunesStoretermsandconditionsviaiTunes_thumb.png" border="0" alt="Apple iTunes Store terms and conditions via iTunes" width="464" height="346" align="left" /></a></p>
<p>It still wasn’t clear just how many words I had to wade through, so I copied and pasted them into Word. This screenshot tells you all you need to know:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/AppleiTunesStoretermsandconditions.png"><img style="border-right-width: 0px; margin: 0px 0px 10px; display: inline; border-top-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px" title="Apple iTunes Store terms and conditions" src="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/AppleiTunesStoretermsandconditions_thumb.png" border="0" alt="Apple iTunes Store terms and conditions" width="464" height="354" align="left" /></a></p>
<p>That’s no mistake. 48 pages, over 26,000 words. I reckon it would take me half an hour to read that with the attention necessary to spot any terms and conditions I disagree with. But, of course, I’m not going to do that. No one will, except lawyers and journalists far more pedantic than me.</p>
<p>So I’ve got two questions, which I’m hoping PC Pro readers will be able to help me with. First, would these terms and conditions stand up in court? And second, have you encountered any more ridiculous Ts&amp;Cs?</p>
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		<title>Your Privacy Policy policy</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/08/19/your-privacy-policy-policy/</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Aug 2009 11:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tom Arah</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Does your website have a privacy policy?
It&#8217;s very easy for a small site to decide that this is something that only applies to the big boys who are dealing with credit card details and have an in-house legal team ready to draft the required policy.

However this is a mistake on a number of fronts&#8230;
To begin [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does your website have a privacy policy?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s very easy for a small site to decide that this is something that only applies to the big boys who are dealing with credit card details and have an in-house legal team ready to draft the required policy.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/blog-privacy-policy.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-6853" src="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/blog-privacy-policy.jpg" alt="Free Privacy Policy" width="409" height="270" /></a></p>
<p>However this is a mistake on a number of fronts&#8230;</p>
<p><span id="more-6850"></span>To begin with, as more and more sites move towards Web 2.0 handling, the chances are that your site is dealing with personal information. Maybe you don&#8217;t take financial details, for example, but do your users need to provide their email addresses to sign up to leave comments or add content?</p>
<p>More to the point does your site use cookies? Maybe you don&#8217;t have a clue about how you&#8217;d go about adding your own cookie, but that doesn&#8217;t mean you&#8217;re in the clear. One of the characteristics of Web 2.0 is taking advantage of third-party content and services and many of these depend on cookies. Add the snippet of code to enable Google AdSense ads or Analytics, for example, and Google will be tracking your visitors&#8217; IP address as they move through your site and part of its terms is that you should have a privacy policy explaining as much.</p>
<p>The bottom line is that every site, no matter how small, should have a privacy policy. The good news is that it needn&#8217;t be intimidating or expensive &#8211; thanks to Web 2.0.</p>
<p>Search for &#8220;privacy policy template&#8221; and you&#8217;ll find a number of customisable privacy policies such as the one from <a title="Free privacy policy template" href="http://www.website-law.co.uk/privacypolicy.html">website-law.co.uk</a>.  Leave the link back to the source and you can use it for free (a great example of SEO 2.0 in action).</p>
<p>Of course it&#8217;s still a bit of a chore to create your custom policy, but it&#8217;s well worth it and not just from the warm glow that comes from knowing you&#8217;re on the right side of the law and doing the right thing. The small privacy policy link on each page is a clear indication of credibility and professionalism: an indicator that is almost certainly recognised by search engines as well as end users.</p>
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		<title>Photoshop Express: Rights and Wrongs</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/05/30/photoshop-express-rights-and-wrongs/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 18:59:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tom Arah</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The web-based economy is bizarre. In the real world you naturally expect to pay for products and services, but out in the virtual world everything has to be free. It’s the world’s biggest all-you-can-eat buffet, in which the browser can gorge themselves day-in and day-out for absolutely nothing. And woe betide the naive web-based developer [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal">The web-based economy is bizarre. In the real world you naturally expect to pay for products and services, but out in the virtual world everything has to be free. It’s the world’s biggest all-you-can-eat buffet, in which the browser can gorge themselves day-in and day-out for absolutely nothing. And woe betide the naive web-based developer who breaks the unwritten rule and suggests that they might like something in return.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">This point hit home recently when looking at the <strong><a title="photoshop express rights" href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/05/23/what-rights-do-i-have-to-my-photos/">mini-storm</a></strong> that broke out regarding Adobe’s new <strong><a title="Photoshop Express" href="https://www.photoshop.com/express/landing.html">Photoshop Express</a></strong> service. Like everything else on the web signing up for Photoshop Express is free – at least for the first 2GB of storage space. However, the original terms and conditions made it clear that by posting to the public galleries you were granting Adobe a “worldwide, royalty-free, nonexclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable license to use, distribute, derive revenue or other remuneration from… such Content.” (terms since entirely rewritten)</p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/blogphotoshopexpress.jpg"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-1059" src="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/blogphotoshopexpress-300x196.jpg" alt="Photoshop Express in action" width="300" height="196" /></a></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Like everyone else my original reaction was horror. They’re planning to sell on my photos! How dare they? All that money should be coming to me! Daylight robbery!</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But let’s stand back a little&#8230; and get real.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To begin with: of course Adobe wants to make money from developing and hosting the Photoshop Express site. It <em>has</em> to make money to pay for the developers’ time and expertise and the considerable hosting infrastructure costs involved and for the shareholders’ investment. That’s not greed it’s common sense.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">More to the point, it’s actually in your interest for Adobe to make money from the site – that way it can put more money into making the site better, adding new functionality, boosting free space and so on. In short: give you more for free.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So how do you actually go about making money on the web? For non-ecommerce content-based sites the answer is simple: by including links to e-commerce sites that are paid-for as advertising or through commission. It’s not selling directly but it’s selling-on the chance of selling directly.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">So maybe advertising was all that Adobe ever meant by “deriving remuneration”. Certainly the quickly <strong><a title="photoshop express terms and conditions" href="https://www.photoshop.com/express/pxterms.html">revised terms</a></strong> make it clear that “These limited licenses do not grant Adobe the right to sell or otherwise license Your Content or Your Shared Content on a stand alone basis.” Panic over. It’s only indirect selling. Status quo restored.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But would it necessarily be so bad if Adobe really did want to directly sell on your photos? Are there no circumstances in which you’d sign up to those original terms?</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">After all what are your photos actually worth? Be honest now. When was the last time an agency got in touch to ask if you had a great picture of a penguin at dusk or a rotting apple? Of course you might happen to have just what they want on your hard disk but without an intermediary site the sale would simply never happen. In other words: you wouldn’t actually be losing anything real.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">But clearly Adobe would be gaining (assuming that anyone ever did buy one of your images) and that’s not fair. But it’s gaining already through those paid-for links and no-one minds about that. And remember you actually want Adobe to gain if it’s not coming out of your pocket.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">OK but if Adobe gains you should too &#8211; and directly. Agreed &#8211; but what? On reflection, the answer is obvious: unlimited storage. If I had to choose between shelling out actual cash to get the clear benefit of unlimited storage – currently $25 per year on Flickr &#8211; or giving up a purely theoretical right to commercial usage that simply wouldn’t happen otherwise I might well choose the latter. If enough others did too Adobe would quickly build up an enormous stock photo resource and, with it, another relatively painless model for generating revenue to help keep providing a valuable service for free.</p>
<p class="MsoNormal">More to the point it would also enable its members’ photos to reach a wider audience. Isn’t that what photo sharing is for?</p>
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		<title>What rights do I have to my photos? #!</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/05/23/what-rights-do-i-have-to-my-photos/</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 10:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tom Arah</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Recently there’s been a lot of excitement about Adobe’s launch of a free online version of Photoshop, Photoshop Express. However the biggest squeals weren’t of delight and you only have to take a look at the original Terms and Conditions to see why…

 

8. Use of Your Content. Adobe does not claim ownership of Your [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p class="MsoNormal" style="0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="small;">Recently there’s been a lot of excitement about Adobe’s launch of a free online version of Photoshop, <a title="Photoshop Express" href="https://www.photoshop.com/express/landing.html"><strong>Photoshop Express</strong></a>. However the biggest squeals weren’t of delight and you only have to take a look at the original Terms and Conditions to see why…</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="#000000;">8. <span style="underline;">Use of Your Content</span>. Adobe does not claim ownership of Your Content. However, with respect to Your Content that you submit or make available for inclusion on publicly accessible areas of the Services, you grant Adobe a worldwide, royalty-free, nonexclusive, perpetual, irrevocable, and fully sublicensable license to use, distribute, derive revenue or other remuneration from, reproduce, modify, adapt, publish, translate, publicly perform and publicly display such Content (in whole or in part) and to incorporate such Content into other Materials or works in any format or medium now known or later developed.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="small;">You don’t have to be a lawyer to see that basically you were handing over your all rights as originator and giving Adobe free rein to make money from your photos however it saw fit!</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="small;">Adobe responded quickly to dowse the inevitable flames with John Nack quoting the PSX team as saying “</span><span style="#000000;">The original terms of service implied things we would never do with the content within Photoshop Express.” </span><span style="small;">More importantly the relevant <a title="photoshop express terms and conditions" href="https://www.photoshop.com/express/pxterms.html"><strong>terms and conditions</strong></a></span><span style="small;"> were quickly updated and are entirely different and much more end-user friendly in all ways.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="small;">So is that the end of the matter? Well it certainly means that the conditions are no worse than those commonly found on photo sharing sites such as Flickr and so should be no bar to joining up to Photoshop Express and taking it for a spin (it’s well worth a look if only to see what modern Flex-based RIAs are capable of).</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="small;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="small;">However is this a case of “there’s no smoke without fire”? After all you don’t normally leave lawyers to just come up with something off the top of their heads (expensive) and then post it up to see if anyone complains (very expensive). And did no-one at Adobe think of looking at how other photo sharing sites managed copyright before launching such a major new service?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="small;">Moreover, while the Terms and Conditions have been updated, at the time of writing, the Photo Express FAQ still reads:</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="0cm 0cm 0pt;"><a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/blogwhatrightsdoihave1.gif"><img class="alignnone size-full wp-image-837" src="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2008/05/blogwhatrightsdoihave1.gif" alt="What rights do I have to my photos" width="496" height="330" /></a></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="small;"> </span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="small;">“What rights do I have to <em>my</em> photos?”#! Excuse me – splutter &#8211; but that phrasing is just bizarre. To my mind the implication is that having transferred all rights going to Adobe I now need to be told which rights Adobe is kind enough to let me retain.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="small;">Am I the only one that’s not entirely convinced that this </span><span style="small;">all an innocent mistake but smacks of something a little bit deeper like a planned policy?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="small;"> </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="small;">But before I get accused of an anti-Adobe conspiracy theory, I’ll float another question that I intend to return to shortly in a <strong><a title="follow up post" href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/05/30/photoshop-express-rights-and-wrongs/">follow-up post</a></strong>: Are there really no circumstances in which you’d be happy to sign up to those original terms?</span></p>
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