Posted on February 15th, 2012 by Mark Newton
Has BT given up on rural broadband?
Is it just me or is BT heading the way of many other established companies, missing new opportunities and losing out to foreign companies? I am talking about the embarrassing quality of service offered to many ADSL customers who are brave enough to attempt to live in the more remote areas of the country.
By remote I don’t mean in some far distant Scottish island where you only have the puffins and otters for company, but in a large village only 70 miles from the centre of London, for example. This village like many others in the area I live in suffers from appalling broadband speeds of less than 0.5Mbits/sec. Yes, that’s right 0.5Mbits/sec ! Worse still the connection is often unstable, so trying to do your online banking or shopping becomes a frustrating task.
Would it not be better to make sure the whole country is connected at a usable speed of 3Mbits/sec or better?
When everyone in the village experiences these problems one would think that a SWAT team in a fleet of BT vans would appear and sort out the problem? No, I’m afraid this is not the case. Each customer’s complaint seems to be dealt with individually, and I have it on good authority that the BT engineers now work to fault targets.
This means that they are ‘allowed’ only a certain number of faults out of their call-outs, the outcome of this is that there is pressure on the engineers to claim no fault whenever they can, causing a large bill to be met by the customer. The risk of being hit with such a bill is normally enough to make sure that most people will only call the engineer as a last resort.
But so often in these areas, the customer is told that this slow and practically unusable service is all they can expect at this “end of the line”. The village my brother lives in had just such a problem with its service. The solution? Ask an Italian based company, Tooway, to provide them with a satellite-based broadband service . For £25 a month, they now have a totally stable 6Mbits/sec internet connection.
Perhaps I am missing something here, but why doesn’t BT offer satellite connections either to individual homes or, even better, to a central point in an area of poor connection and then feed that area? Perhaps it’s a question of money, or Government policy, but rather than try and supply a few with 20Mbits/sec plus speeds which are not even needed for video streaming, would it not be better to make sure the whole country is connected at a usable speed of 3Mbits/sec or better, to begin with?
A BT spokesman replies:
BT has invested large sums to put broadband equipment into rural exchanges. Other companies have had the option of unbundling those exchanges but have typically chosen not to in a vast majority of cases. We have also committed to getting fibre broadband to two thirds of UK homes and businesses with our own investment by the end of 2014, and would like to get to 90% cent plus, should we be successful in winning BDUK funds.
In relation to speed, we do appreciate the frustration with received speeds felt by some residents in more rural areas, but the laws of physics do mean that longer copper lines are unable to sustain higher bandwidths. The investment that we, along with national and regional government, are making in the next generation of fibre broadband services should help to improve speeds in many areas of the UK, as fibre is not subject to the same physical constraints as the copper network. We are also working on alternative technologies to help improve speeds for residents in the most challenging areas of the UK.
However, to suggest that Openreach engineers work to “fault targets” is just nonsense. Engineers will always endeavour to fix a fault when they are required to do so.
If Openreach receives multiple faults over a period of time for a given location, such as a rural village, then our systems will recognise the need for a full investigation and our network serving the area will be analysed. This may well result in repair work involving more than one engineer, if we discover fault prone infrastructure.
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February 15th, 2012 at 11:45 am
You are p*****g into the wind with this. BT see the need for fibre in urban areas, especially in those areas already served by Virgin fibre.
As you so rightly say, small, outlying communities are ignored so the fast get faster and the rest can get lost.
Surely it doesn’t take a genius in BT to work out that the real “low hanging fruit” is in the areas on the periphery of conurbations. (Are there any geniuses in BT Wholesale?)
I for one would willingly take BT’s hand off for a 20Mbps service; we are stuck with 2Mbps. Better that some I appreciate, but still not good enough for the 21st century.
February 16th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
3.5 miles from my local exchange and I’ve completely given up on BT and switched entirely to mobile providers. To the extent that I’ve had the land line removed.
Speed’s up by a factor of 10 and cost down by 50%.
Really resented that line rental charge. Hellishly expensive bit of copper wire considering it’s been the same piece for the last 40 years.
February 16th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
But then, isn’t that how business works? BT seem unable to make a rural broadband business model work, so other service providers step in?
I wouldn’t be complaining about BT if my service was faster an cheaper elsewhere, I’d be singing the praises of my new provider…
February 16th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
had a very intersting chat with the network director for superfast broadband in cornwall last week. fttc installation rate is slowly increasing, but the downside is that fttp is preffered option for business. its a better long term solution, but much slower rollout speed. cornwall should have very good speeds on average by early next year. pilots for satellite are about to start for really remote areas via avanti partnership. so its painful waiting but made worse by the lack of decent information/updates, but positive news in the medium term
February 16th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
I watched a team of guys putting glass down our street. It was Fujitsu fibre and they wouldn’t/couldn’t(?) tell me for whom it was being installed nor at whose request. In the meantime we have the usual copper muddle with constriction via contention and outreach vans buzzing about but not doing anything to improve the service, such as it is.
February 16th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
@Tomble – any other information you can provide? Line speeds, costs, provider?
I really want to give up with BT. I’ve had eight faults in four months with their service. I have a letter saying the estimated speed would be 6Meg. But I rarely get above 2.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Nice picture.
Shame it is of the US.
I didn’t know BT operated there!
February 17th, 2012 at 11:33 am
@Kane
Apologies about the photo – my fault, not Mark’s. Replaced with a photo of the 100% British Lake District.
Barry Collins
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February 17th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
@Craig Dunn, I’m quite lucky in that my usage fits within what 3’s mifi product offers. That’s 15Gb/month @£19.
The strongest signal for this village comes from a 3 base station. The neighbouring village get their strongest signal from Vodafone, who aren’t nearly so ‘generous’ as far as data goes.
If you were going to research this I would visit this site
http://www.sitefinder.ofcom.org.uk
to check the location of base stations near to you. BTW, this site works fine in Chrome but not in IE9, for me.
A word of warning though. If you do online gaming, don’t bother, the ping rate can vary massively.
Download speed today is 4.2 Mbps & upload is 0.8Mbps. It varies between 3.5 & 5.2Mbps but typically it’s around 4.2Mbps
When I moved here, 6 years ago, my landline speed was 2.1Mbps. This was ‘upgraded’ three times to improve the quality of connection. The net result was that my speed dropped to 1.5, 1.1 and then finally 0.45Mbps.
Most important thing, if you’re going mobile, is to make sure you try it before you commit to it.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
@Kane Actually BT does operate in the US. A friend of mine has worked for them there since 1999 (and Singapore before that)
February 17th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
As a public company BT would have provided a universal service and indeed had plans to do so, but –
The government of the day decided to make lots of money by selling off BT and opening it up to competition “to reduce the cost to the customer”.
This has meant that profit will always come first.
The government should put some of that money back into the system and pay for the shortfall in the universal service.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Beware of satellite broadband unless you are sure. With 1/2 second latency you can’t play interactive games and Skype is a waste of time.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Just lovely, lovely. I haven’t seen this much propaganda since the fall of the Berlin Wall in 1989! I’m setting up a petition soon in favour of rebuilding the Berlin Wall! Now, who here will sign my petition? >=D
February 18th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
I quote from the letter BT sent me:
“Due to the technical limitations of the DSL service you are renting from us, specifically line length, unfortunately I have to confirm that we are unable to provide the service to a level which would be deemed acceptable by BT.
I understand that your current position reflects a requirement to continue to pay for the intermittent service irrespective of this fact.
Unfortunately we are unable to continue attempting to resolve an issue which has been deemed beyond BT’s control and therefore cannot commit to offering any further assistance with the rectification of the service.
I am very sorry we have been unable to reach a resolution to this matter. Regrettably we have now exhausted our internal complaint review process and reached a deadlock. This letter therefore constitutes BT’s final position.”
We are 6km from our exchange. I was effectively cut off for complaining. My neighbours still have an intermittent service. I had to install satellite broadband as BT would not resolve any future issues with my broadband service.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Fred: I have heard that Tooway have made some changes to allow VOIP and Skype without a large delay. But I have no experience of this. Perhaps one of our readers does?
February 21st, 2012 at 12:13 pm
@mark newton
sat broadband simply cannot achieve faster latencies each request takes 0.24 seconds to simply travel to the satellite and back, that’s not accounting for any delays introduced by network level equipment and simply a factor of the speed of light and the distance it has to travel, so adding 30ms to this as a rough guess your now at 0.27 seconds on a request/response cycle – may not sound like much but can cause havoc with certain applications
February 21st, 2012 at 12:53 pm
@ Sandy Wilson
I bet you get a similar response from OFCOM!
Why are BT and OFCOM conspiring to be so atrociously useless?
Why is BT bothering to replicate Virgin’s Fibre infrastructure?
Why are BT and Virgin upgrading London to 40Mb+, and yet huge areas of the UK get less than 1Mb BEFORE contention?
Why do all the magazines like PCPro et al not start a huge public petition to OFCOM to get UK broadband right, and stop all the guff and nonsense that BT and the Government think is describing ‘future-proofing UK Internet’, when it is no such thing?
Why am I having to ask these questions, I’m not even an expert, just a Joe Public?
February 21st, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Are the Moderators at lunch?
Almost an hour now, and my message is still “being Moderated”…..
February 23rd, 2012 at 9:23 am
My neighbours endure 1 Mbits/sec, but I have a radio link (5 mile) that goes at 50 Mbits/sec (but I only pay for 10 – and get exactly that). For isolated houses, it is never going to be economic to install miles of fibre across the fields. But BT don’t ‘do’ radio: the government money should go to pay someone who does.
February 23rd, 2012 at 10:39 am
BT’s statement is plain wrong. In our small community we have a BT van attend several times a month for many years, and still get less than 1.5Mb/s. They do NOT care about rural areas, and we are only 40 miles from London.
February 23rd, 2012 at 10:42 am
I agree with Wilbert3’s comments about OFCOM. I have been interviewed regarding OFCOM several times, always complaining about broadband speeds. OFCOM are worse than BT.
February 23rd, 2012 at 10:53 am
I was once thinking of buying a property in Madeira. It was way up in the mountain and miles from the nearest goat. When enquiring about the broardbard the ISP come back ‘Very sorry but we can’t guarantee better than 2Mb up there’ Wake up BT
February 23rd, 2012 at 11:06 am
BT engineers have to fix the fault given to them by their control. My broadband went down in the big one affecting southern UK and it took BT 10 days to reset an affected ‘bit’ in my local exchange. The engineer wanted to fix all the similar faults in that exchange on the same visit but was not allowed to!! Disgraceful conduct by a big company. Some things never change and BT is one of them.
February 23rd, 2012 at 11:13 am
BT are definitely handling each fault as a one off in my experience. In my village – just 7km from Aberdeen and 500 meters from the nearest exchange, there has been an ongoing speed problem that many broadband users have reported and shared notes via the local village association forums.
Basically at peak times even web traffic crawls to a point where it unusable – I have seen downloads run at less than 10kilobytes per sec and latencies in the 1200ms vs 30ms offpeak (using BTs own speedtester).Online shopping times out during payment screens!!! And before anyone says it’s the distance from the exchange we see synch speeds in the 5 to 7 Megabit range and at, say 6am, I can download using exactly the same infrastructure at 700KBytes per sec.
Everyone in the village that reports a fault is subjected to a whole range of tests and fob-offs designed to make you think it’s the in-premise kit that is faulty (faceplates, filters etc) when clearly the fact that it affects so many many people in the village and is time dependent would suggest that the problem lies in the BT infrastructure.
Most of us have given up trying to get a fix but one guy has persisted and got them to say that his problem is being caused by over contention ie there are too many users sharing the line. Clearly if contention affects him it affects many others too by definition!
But has BT done anything to bring contention back into acceptable limits – no evidence and the rest of us who have reported similar faults have NOT been told that contention is the cause/solution to the problem.
Oh and by the way I have a Business broadband account so I *should* be getting a much lower contention guaranteed than the consumer users but I bet BT have me on exactly the same contention as the consumers because there is clearly not enough shared bandwith for the volume of users in the Village.
And this all started last november, almost overnight affecting many users via many ISPS. Interestingly Aberdeen became fibre enabled in December – I can’t help wondering if the sudden onset of the problems in the village aren’t in some way connected with the fibre rollout in Aberdeen – maybe some of our backbone capacity has been repurposed to serve the Aberdeen fibre users?
February 23rd, 2012 at 11:34 am
I live 4km from my exchange and get 2Mbit adsdl download speed. Our village primary school, distance 100m from me, has a fibre connection, I believe 10Mbit. Commercial and governmental interests are impeding the development of my area by not allowing connection to infrastructure already in place. At the same time money is being squandered on stop-gap solutions.
I believe that the time has come for all fibre infrastructure locations should be publicly known and be made available for all to connect to for a single fee. Content usage will pay for development and expansion of the network.
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Ha,
I live 1.5km from the exchange.
On a good day we get 6 Mb/s
BUT
every few months (normaly after heavy rain), noise on the line triggers BT to drop us to 200 b/s.
It then takes a couple of weeks of fruitless talking to polite Indian folk at BT Broadband, who naievely believe that they can fix this, before Openreach get involved and replace something. (to date, 2 routers, a BT vision box, 200m + cable, a card at the exchange)….
Soon I’ll give up, Virgin have fiber running past my door and the extra £10 a month looks very tempting.
February 23rd, 2012 at 2:25 pm
BT haven’t given up on rural broadband – they never even started on it. One can’t give up on something that never happened.
February 23rd, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Our local exchange is being upgraded, I mentioned this to a friend and he said he’d got mail from BT offering fttc at no extra cost, I contacted BT to find out when fttc would be in our village, answer ‘not schedualed’, the differance between us? friend has Virgin cable outside his house, we don’t, seems to me time SFO started looking into this as all I see is fruadulant use of public money
February 23rd, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Living slightly too far from the nearest exchange we currently receive a little over 1Mb/s. I have been forced to go BT since any other provider refuses to send out engineers for problems with the line. I gave up on Pipex (Talk-Talk) after 1 month of talking to overseas help desks who refused to do anything about the problem. Switch to BT at least got an engineer to cure the problem with the line within a fortnight. Have looked at satellite before but costs too high. Will look at Tooway now as alternative . Always hoped that microwave links might make economic sense for those of us not that far out.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:41 am
We are 5 whole miles from Newbury – just checked speed at 0.76 Mbps, which is much faster than Sat. evening, when it took 25 mins to get Google! Map says there are folk around me with 4 – 6 Mbps. Is it jus Demon?
There’s no chance of exchange upgrade until 2021 say BT and we are in a mobile dead spot – only Voda basic reaches here. Other users have to stand on drive to get 2 bars signal. I say again, 5 miles from Newbury. I bet the Yanks had better at Greenham Common!
March 30th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Interesting comments here,I too were quoted a land line speed of upto 3meg through a n other provider,this normalised at a steady 1 meg ish.
Advice from said provider offered initially extra filters,new router
etc.
One solution offerd was to take off my wall plate and connect direct to the ‘test’ socket.
Amazing!!! as in amazing!!4.95mbps down load .95mbps upload.
Worth a try…. it maybe an extension line problem……..good luck