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Posted on May 19th, 2010 by Barry Collins

Mozilla founder is right: Firefox has lost it

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I’ve written in the past about my defection from Firefox to Chrome as my default browser, and was called everything from a “troll” to a “little bitch” for moaning about its increasingly slovenly performance and constant nagging.

Now, it appears even Mozilla’s friends are turning on Firefox. The browser’s co-founder, Blake Ross, was reportedly asked on a web forum whether he felt Firefox could maintain even double-digit market share over the next five years (it currently has around 25% of the worldwide market, according to Net Applications). He replied:

“I’m pretty sceptical. I think the Mozilla Organisation has gradually reverted back to its old ways of being too timid, passive and consensus-driven to release breakthrough products quickly.”

I make him right. It gives me no pleasure to lay into Mozilla – Firefox was my default browser for the best part of the last decade, and Mozilla engineers are among the smartest and nicest people I’ve ever had the pleasure to interview. But Firefox has lost it.

On the rare occasions I fire up the browser these days, it takes 30 seconds or so to get going, and then often needs a reboot once the various extensions have updated themselves. Admittedly, much of that delay is caused by me only opening the browser once a week instead of every day, meaning the updates arrive en masse, but it’s certainly no incentive to go back. Chrome never takes more than 10-15 seconds to get going, and is usually ready for action the moment I press the logo on the taskbar.

Mozilla Firefox also looks like a browser of yesteryear. That stolid grey chrome and old-fashioned menu bar look dated compared to Chrome’s clutter-free, blue interface. And although the performance difference is marginal compared to Internet Explorer, Chrome does have a clear advantage over Firefox on JavaScript-heavy web apps (most notably, of course, Google’s own).

It seems it’s not only me who has swapped Firefox for Chrome, either. The chart below shows the percentage of visitors to PCPro.co.uk using the two browsers. As you can see, Chrome has been rising steadily upwards to almost 14% of our visitors this month, while Firefox’s share has been eroded from a peak of mid-forties last summer to today’s share of 35%.

Browser share chart

PC Pro visitors are by no means representative of the internet as a whole, but they are an excellent bellwether of things to come, with our early-adopter audience often reflecting trends that will soon become mainstream.

Unless Mozilla can pull something special out of the hat for Firefox 4 – and we’ve seen nothing revolutionary so far – Blake Ross’ prediction looks somewhat ominous.

Read Tim Danton’s sterling defence of Mozilla Firefox here

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27 Responses to “ Mozilla founder is right: Firefox has lost it ”

  1. Rob Jackson Says:
    May 19th, 2010 at 4:46 pm

    The problem with stopping using Firefox is that I’ve become dependent on the add-ons, particularty Echofon for Twitter, the webmail reader and Xmarks. For that reason I won’t be moving to Chrome any time soon.

     
  2. MysticMouflon Says:
    May 19th, 2010 at 5:10 pm

    I believe that Xmarks is available for Chrome.

     
  3. bm Says:
    May 19th, 2010 at 5:13 pm

    Granted, I’m only using 7 extensions/addons, plus 4 themes floating around, but…FF only takes 5 secs to load once:

    A. Bookmarks are organized, and
    B. Updates to addons, etc. are in.

    Anything longer is due to:

    A. Crappy plugins
    B. Sloppy end user interaction

    Yeah FF can be a hog if untamed, however, Chrome is a far larger pita.
    That “less-cluttered” interface is not very useful at all imo – since when did “hide all the buttons” mean “streamlined”? Or Google’s idea of a helper, that god-awful mosaic default page….nope that won’t giveaway I was shopping for the wife’s b-day gift at all….until she hits ‘New Tab’!

    How flipping annoying is that sh*t?

    I won’t even go into the total lack of privacy options in Chrome, or total lack of protection support for it’s users, memory hogging addins(just like FF btw), and so far…this article reads like a dipsh*t blinded by shiny(or lack thereof).

     
  4. Barry Collins Says:
    May 19th, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    bm,

    You could try Chrome’s Incognito mode if you want to hide birthday presents – or anything else – from your wife.

    Barry Collins

     
  5. Peter Tennant Says:
    May 19th, 2010 at 5:49 pm

    Do you really want to open another window for Google to peep through?

     
  6. Phil A Says:
    May 19th, 2010 at 5:50 pm

    Your article reflects my experience. After being a FF stalwart for a few years I’ve recently switched to Chrome. It’s all about the speed. Chrome is just a lot faster, or at least “feels” a lot faster. FF needs a serious refresh and they need to stop faffing about and get on with it. FF has fallen quite a way behind.

     
  7. Hamish Says:
    May 19th, 2010 at 6:21 pm

    I’ve found that periodically (once or twice a year) blowing away your firefox profile and starting from scratch makes firefox much much faster to start up. That’s a price I’m happy to pay to have access to the more powerful extensions that are possible with firefox.

     
  8. John Says:
    May 19th, 2010 at 7:07 pm

    30 seconds to get Firefox running? 10-15 to fire up Chrome? What on earth are you running this on, an abacus?

    For my part I find both browsers pretty much equally matched although I prefer Firefox on aesthetics alone. Both run fast and efficiently on my netbook which runs Debian Squeeze as an OS.

     
  9. Vag Burger Says:
    May 19th, 2010 at 7:42 pm

    Chrome does not handle Flash or Shockwave as handily as Firefox or even Explorer. My kids play a lot of web games, and crashes are frequent on nickjr and lego.com.

     
  10. Adrian Bruce Says:
    May 19th, 2010 at 8:05 pm

    They will have lost me if they put up a browser without a menu bar. Almost no-one on the News Item “Mozilla firms up Firefox 4 plans” approved of this “throw the UI book away” idea. Apparently it’s faster to right-click on the back-button to do … whatever it was – how am I supposed to know that for pity’s sake?

     
  11. Pete Says:
    May 19th, 2010 at 10:38 pm

    Both Firefox and Chrome never take more than a couple of seconds to start on my W7 machine so I have no idea how it can take you 10-30. Also, Firefox looks great when combined with the All-Glass add-on and I for one can’t live without AdBlock Plus. Plus, and this is a small but important issue, Firefox’ smooth scrolling makes it much more usable day-to-day.

     
  12. Ha Says:
    May 19th, 2010 at 10:39 pm

    Personal preference? I’m liking firefox more at the moment I just can’t customise chrome the way I want to.Getting chrome sort of to my liking is doable but it still leaves the browser second to firefox. If something better comes along/ chrome grows on me then yeah I’d change– not atm though.

     
  13. StoneDeCroze Says:
    May 19th, 2010 at 11:36 pm

    I’ve reverted to Opera, after moving to Firefox in it’s early days. FF’s general lethargy in use and frequent lockups on a fresh W7 install were the final straw.Opera is available on Windows, Ubuntu and Android and the Opera Link system is great.I use FF at work, simply because it’s that or IE6!

     
  14. Bitseach Says:
    May 20th, 2010 at 12:19 am

    I’m going the opposite way. When FF kept crashing when I was on Facebook applications i switched to Chrome. Well apparently I’d never really met crashing before. The Flash plug-in crashes pretty much every time I use Chrome, after 5 minutes’ use. It shows the unhappy jigsaw icon, asks me if I want to “kill” the pages or Flash, then it hangs forever. No amount of clearing, reinstalling flash will fix it for more than a day.

    Tried Safari next – it just stops dead after about an hour of use.

    I’ve just re-downloaded Firefox until something comes along that actually works consistently and is reasonably fast. I’ll sacrifice a little speed for reliability over 60 minutes’ use!

     
  15. jonhurst Says:
    May 20th, 2010 at 8:56 am

    On my not particularly spectacularly fast machine (Core 2 Duo E7400 (2.8GHz)), Firefox start-up is 1.2 seconds. It also picks up my gnome theme and looks great. If it is taking you 30 seconds to start, you have something seriously wrong with your system!

     
  16. David Wright Says:
    May 20th, 2010 at 9:50 am

    As with the others, Firefox loads in a couple of seconds, Chrome is faster, but considering both load before I can get my mouse from the task bar to their respective address bars, it doesn’t make a lot of difference.

    I do like Chrome and I do think that Firefox needs an overhaul. The only thing that is keeping me on Firefox, on Windows and OS X is NoScript. When I find an equivalent of NoScript for Chrome or Safari, I will probably change.

     
  17. Steve Cassidy Says:
    May 20th, 2010 at 2:03 pm

    BC… what’s the underlying OS/Machine? How long has it been since you gave it a good old washout? Most Windows apps on most people’s machines tend to follow that “gradual slowdown” lifecycle. Run CCleaner and Defraggler on the machine about 3 times and then what does it do?

     
  18. Clompio Says:
    May 20th, 2010 at 5:19 pm

    Of course he’s going to badmouth it, he’s bitter about not being a part of it any more…

     
  19. Arek Says:
    May 20th, 2010 at 5:22 pm

    Chrome pros: snappy, cool looks, Google search from the address bar
    Chrome cons: no bookmarking option under right click (real shame as that’s what I use very often), no easy way of direct placing a bookmark into a folder, less convenient access to history pull-down menu (no dedicated arrow)

     
  20. stokegabriel Says:
    May 20th, 2010 at 6:00 pm

    I’ve just worked out why your FireFox is taking 30 seconds to load Barry. You’ve got PC Pro loaded as you homepage! try Google.

     
  21. Windywoo Says:
    May 21st, 2010 at 11:23 am

    One of the things FF is looking at for future editions is updating in the background as Chrome does now. With Chrome you have only swapped a faster startup with your browser for a slower start to your OS.

     
  22. Barry Collins Says:
    May 21st, 2010 at 12:55 pm

    Thanks for all the comments.

    Just to address all those who think I’m running a 386:

    As I mentioned in copy, Firefox takes 30 seconds to load up when I haven’t touched it for a week or so, and it goes through the tedious update procedure. Normally, it would take around 5-10 seconds to get going.

    Chrome is ready to go within a second of me clicking on its taskbar icon 99% of the time.

    Barry

     
  23. Patrick Says:
    May 22nd, 2010 at 5:31 pm

    I’m still astonished that it takes 5-10 seconds to load up in the event of add-ons not needing an update. Granted, Chrome is a little faster to load on any PC with a reasonable spec, but I found that on my very old, very slow laptop, Firefox was actually superior.

     
  24. ferricoxide Says:
    May 23rd, 2010 at 6:20 am

    I switched to Chrome a little over a month ago. Firefox’s ever increasing bloat had made my little, underpowered laptop seem like it was ready for an OS reload. Any page that required media (like flash) was DOG slow. Chrome fixed that immediately. Granted the StumbleUpon for Chrome is utter rubbish, but at least Chrome has extended the life of this laptop.

     
  25. Alvin Says:
    May 23rd, 2010 at 11:01 am

    I too am stunned at Barry Collins’ claim of a 30 second start up for Firefox after not having opened it for a week.

    Though Chrome is my browser of choice I have Firefox installed. I hadn’t opened it in at least two weeks (on my Win 7 Pro, Core 2 Quad system) before now and it opened and settled down in less than 2 seconds. There have been occasion swhere it’s asked me to reboot after having update but these haven’t seemed a hindrance. It’s still a great browser and you cannot beat it for extensions and compatibility. There actually a small number of sites out there (in my own browsing experience) that Chrome does not work well. Whenever this is the case I fill in with Firefox, though admittedly I don’t need to do this often.

    Chrome has the usability touches that I like. The fact that any new tabs I open are already loaded with links for the sites I visit most often is just so convenient. I love the way it handles downloads also.

    Google really understands usability and that has to be applauded.

     
  26. Paulb Says:
    May 24th, 2010 at 12:01 am

    I’m with Stonedecroze … Chrome might have crept back in front of Opera in the speed stakes but in the real world the differences aren’t noticeable. I don’t like the inflexibility or basic design of the Chrome UI – Occasionally forms don’t seem to work properly in Opera but it’s only ever a minor inconvenience. But I’m afraid in this company FF just looks tired …

     
  27. Arturio Says:
    May 26th, 2010 at 6:32 pm

    It’s very unpredictable that new fad of clutter-free / ultrafast browsers will catch on in the very near future. Most of us do not really care about these factors when checking our mail, chatting, facebooking, watching Youtube, etc.

     

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