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Posted on March 17th, 2010 by Barry Collins

Panorama parents deserve their file-sharing fine

Panroama girlThis week’s Panorama “investigation” into internet file-sharing delivered nothing new for anyone who’s been keeping even half an eye on this issue. Record labels think it’s killing their industry; Billy Bragg and TalkTalk think they’re talking out of their Supergrasses. Part of the reason it revealed diddly squat was because it wasn’t fronted by a journalist who knew what they were talking about, but by a DJ who didn’t, although that’s an argument for another time (that time being mid April, when you can read my column in the next issue of PC Pro).

However, one thing the show did throw up was the abject attitude of one set of parents to their childrens’ file-sharing habit. The program followed a family with four kids from Manchester, in a bid to prove how teenagers were stuffing hard disks with dodgy downloads, unbeknown to their poor parents.  Lo and behold, Panorama’s “computer expert” (bloke who can read filenames) finds that the teenage sprogs have indeed been giving Pirate Bay a good hammering, filling the family laptop with more suspect albums than the Status Quo back catalogue.

Cue interview with shocked parents, who throw their hands up in despair at their file-sharing fledglings. “Your [the father’s] work laptop is taken from wherever it’s been left and we find Iona’s on it at 11 O’clock at night,” confides a bemused mum. “We don’t know what she’s doing”.

Well, you could try exerting basic parental control, for starters. Like not letting them scurry off to their bedrooms late at night with the laptop or checking what they’re up to once in a while. Why is it that some parents simply abdicate all responsibility when it comes to their children and the internet?

Mum rehashed the gossamer-thin argument that the kids knew what they were doing with computers, while she was merely a PC simpleton who wasn’t brought up with all this new-fangled file-sharing malarkey. Sorry love, not good enough. She was savvy enough to know that if her ISP choked her connection because of the kids’ download habit, she wouldn’t be able to open the email attachments she needed for work.  If she can work out how to use Outlook, she can work out how to take a peek into the Music folder every so often or set up the parental controls on their Windows 7 laptop.

Parents literally can’t afford to give their children free rein on the internet or plead technical ignorance. Not when copyright holders and their insidious legal firms are slapping demands for hundreds of pounds on doormats for nothing more than downloading a single game. But parents who wilfully ignore what their children are up to online can have no cause for complaint if they suddenly find themselves out of pocket.

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  1. Mr Flynn Says:
    March 17th, 2010 at 11:47 am

    Good read as ever, Barry.

    I saw the program and found it – perhaps unsurprisingly – biased towards the copyright-holder point of view.

    No mention of the record profits the supposedly dying music industry made last year (by their own figures) in the middle of a recession:
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2010/mar/12/demise-music-industry-facts

    But this is indeed an argument for another time (mid April) and I fully agree the onus has to be on parents to at least have some idea of what their kids are up to. I don’t have children but if I ever do then I will be watching them like a hawk when they start using the interbizzle!

     
  2. stevea Says:
    March 17th, 2010 at 12:11 pm

    I think it’s because of the thin line of privacy that prevents you from looking at what they’re doing.
    I mean, would you read their diary?
    However, I agree you need to know what they’re up to, if for no other reason than making sure they are not committing illegal acts.
    Far more worrying these days, is who they’re talking to, or rather, who they think they’re talking to.

     
  3. Tim Says:
    March 17th, 2010 at 12:12 pm

    I hope the father’s employers weren’t watching, otherwise he may have some explaining to do for that little breach of the IT policy.

     
  4. Richard Smith Says:
    March 17th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

    I fully agree with the article and also Mr Flynn. Honestly, the music industry COMPANIES and ignorant artists (not the non-ignorant ones) should just stick their nonsense up their wotsits. It has been proven over and over again that file sharers spend more money on music and films than non-fileshares because they are exposed to more material. Whenever there is an evolution in an industry you always get the companies or individuals from another era who are unwilling to listen to or try new ideas just fight and fight until they eventually die. Sooner the better! I pay for music I like and keep. However, how would I be exposed to the variety without file-sharing. It is similar to swapping records back a few years ago…except on a much larger scale. This is what some find rather scary. What we are on the threshold of is a new era where interlectual material is being shared and exposed to more and more material. Yes, this does mean that the individual pieces of material can go down…but it means that hopefully only interlectual material that is great and of real quality will thrive. No comments on Lady Ga Ga though. :-(

    I hope I have got my point across there. This is slighty rushed. ;-)

     
  5. mviracca Says:
    March 17th, 2010 at 12:32 pm

    “Well, you could try exerting basic parental control, for starters.”

    Man, how I wish that would happen, and not just in relation to ICT but simple common manners and common sense too.
    /old man ranting

     
  6. Ed Says:
    March 17th, 2010 at 1:02 pm

    Hit the nail on the head Mr Collins – fair enough kids should know what they’re doing is wrong but how can ‘parents’ just plead ignorance? The parents need to get up to speed on the things their kids do and the kids need to value things like music again. I remember when buying a new CD single was the highlight of my life and I still have a lot of them now (won’t go into titles, far too embarassing!!). This basic respect for others people’s property needs to be instilled in todays youth, and I’m ‘only’ 29 so it’s one generation behind me and it’s gone so wrong…

     
  7. Simon Says:
    March 17th, 2010 at 1:44 pm

    The thing is that 79p is a lot for a piece of music on iTunes. The crecord companies really do need to wake up. It’s recession time and everyone else has to lower prices to survive, why not them???

    In reality if songs were priced at around 20-30p each lots more would be sold which would make up the losses, why does nobody question the pricing?

    Also they need to GET-REAL about promoting music, make it avalible as soon as they put it on radio, otherwise people simply ‘Limewire’ the song recorded from radio.

    I am even thinking of cancelling my Sky Songs subscription, not because of the pricing but because it takes far too long for songs to become avalible.

    Maybe when the industry get real and actually start listening to what people want they will start to make money. Policing the internet isn’t going to work especially when the government is about to launch a whole new set of services online !

     
  8. DringyA Says:
    March 17th, 2010 at 11:57 pm

    Good article, but it’s getting so boring seeing the same specious arguments trotted out re file-sharing. You may or may not agree with the business models of the music industry and may, as I do, think that they are draconian in their responses, bit there’s no escaping the fact that downloading music is illegal. Do it if you want, encourage others to do it in some kind of protest if that takes your fancy, but stop kidding yourself that you have some kind of moral right to do it. As for number 7’s comments about cost, why do I get the feeling that 30p wouldn’t be cheap enough either? Seems the music industry execs aren’t the only ones who need to wake up

     
  9. Darkharedlord Says:
    March 18th, 2010 at 9:33 am

    #7.
    agree with #6. when I was a lad etc… £1 for a single £5 for an album. typical wages for a sixteen year old were £25-£30 a week. If you were still at school pocket money might be £1 or £3 for a paper round. ever tried saving up for something? rant rant back in my day etc…

     
  10. markryder Says:
    March 18th, 2010 at 3:19 pm

    Comments from no4 are basically saying they thieve which is not anything to brag about and he seems to think he has the inside track on how expensive it is to make music now days and promote it and so can tell people what should be yes he steals it anyway?
    I never understand the comments from thieves on this subject and how they think they are on the side of right when they are stealing? When will people accept that stealing is stealing and all the rubbishing of record companies and artists wont make stealing suddenly right. People seem to be dipping into a cesspit of low life acceptability, which is very sad, and yet we comment on it like its jus the kids doing it. They learn from the parent’s example.

    remember people if you steal then your a thief there is no argument to that..

     
  11. Gary Says:
    March 19th, 2010 at 12:58 am

    Haven’t the software industry been fighting with this for years ? Haven’t internet users been hounded by spam for years and it cannot be stopped ?
    This is because no matter what you do, you can hide your tracks on the internet.
    If I wanted to download something and hide the fact that I have done it, I could do it.
    However, I find it easier to just hit ‘buy’ in Itunes and because I feel it is a fair price, I don’t even think about it.
    If the sellers are themselves criminals (not in the true technical meaning – but in terms of over charging for their products), then people will try to avoid paying them.

    On another note, what happens when your time gets wasted because someone has pretended to be your IP address and downloaded illegal content ? Will you get some sort of compensation ? Didn’t think so.

    Finally, if you are suspected of illegal downloading, it should be proven beyond reasonable doubt that you have done it (innocent until proven guilty – if anyone remembers that). I.e. not just say ‘this IP address downloaded this content’ – but ‘You are in possession of material on your computer which is copyrighted and has not been paid for’ – if so, you should get treated like any other thief and sent to prison etc.. If people see others going to prison for downloading illegal content – it would make them think.

    If you are a parent and are allowing your child to do anything on a computer. Saying that you don’t know what you are doing with computers is not an excuse. If you are letting them use a computer, you should do your homework and find out the risks – both for them and for you. In the same way that you would not want your child to steal sweets from a shop – you would also not want them to steal music as you are responsible for them until they are 16.

    I get totally frustrated at this government trying to make prosecuting people easier etc.. The public should be treated as innocent until proven guilty and the prosecuter needs to put in the effort of proving them guilty – not just looking into a few log files.

     
  12. redflag Says:
    March 19th, 2010 at 2:14 am

    I think that I could be out of order here – due to my senility, but I clearly remember getting friends TAPES with music recorded from my vinyls (ok I’ll tape you the new so-and-so that’s just come out). I find it mildly amusing to think that GIANT record companies that also happen to own a Hi-Fi, department used to manufacture and sell tape recording devices. What I cannot seem to remember, however, is the copyright argument they ranted about in those days…maybe it’s my advanced state of senility or maybe there was no copyright issue back then. As for this new generation, all I have to say is -Good luck world, you’re gonna need it

     
  13. stevepiece Says:
    March 19th, 2010 at 1:38 pm

    @Redflag – you don’t remember the “Home taping is killing music” campaign then? Even back then, the music biz was paranoid about unlicensed copying. Didn’t do them any harm it would seem.
    However, back then they still disregarded the revenue earned from people swapping mix tapes and getting into new music. Because they couldn’t realistically quantify that income, anymore than they can now to account for increased sales because of higher exposure to new music through the ease of access that downloading provides.
    There will always be people that don’t buy music – if they couldn’t download it for free, they wouldn’t be buying it. Just like people who buy knock-off Rolex and Gucci won’t buy the real, full price version.

     
  14. tealondon Says:
    March 20th, 2010 at 9:07 am

    If the music industry is serious about surviving they have to completely rethink their business model, as simple as that. Lobbying government and slapping $250,000 fines on a 14 year old is neither a solution nor a deterrent; besides the Panorama documentary showed how easy it is to thwart any tracing the record companies maybe doing; hackers, pirates, etc will always be a step ahead.

    What the music industry is always tight-lipped about is how much money the internet has made them, and at the same time how reluctant they were to give up the traditional business model of selling overpriced ’singles’ and albums in shops.
    The same really applies to the movie industry and major TV content creators. The business model is based solely on what they feel they can control in an absolute form, instead of embracing the fact that we are in a global economy now, and the internet quite simply makes content available to all who have the bandwidth within minutes of its general release. Surely if you were a business man you would embrace this, as it can create a massive surge of income and definitely reduce the production and packaging costs, as well as losses for when CDs/DVDs have to end up in the 99p bin at your local filling station? Think of the waste and environment impact of all of those shiny disks that end up in skips day in day out. It is a model they want to preserve because they in their belief that they control it absolute they will make more money, where the digital economy has proven in music more can be, loads more, through eliminating all of that waste.

    In terms of the parents pleading technical ignorance is just a sham, do they plead ignorance if they do not have a deeper understanding of tax law, or if their kids were on some ‘yet to be heard of’ designer drug. I am afraid the internet has become a convenient device to get rid of the kids so they can have some ‘peace time’ – essentially the internet us today, what the TV was for me in my youth.

    Last point… the lobbying, laws passed, subsequent court cases, possible jail times that may occur from strong copyright infringement laws echoes strongly of how well the war ong drugs has gone thus far. It has cost governments around the world billions and filled up prisons with mostly harmless people, who likely will become criminals as a consequence of their time inside. The only real difference here though it is business interests rather than community interests that are being protected. The recording industry have in essence got the government on their side, and it will be our taxes that will fund the protection of their income through the necessary law enforcement, court time and possible jail time that will likely be necessary when enforcing these laws. There is something morally wrong with this. The record industry gets loads of income through laws that have been passed in the favour, for example all blank CD/DVD media carries a levy.
    If I were the law make I would tell the music industry to rethink their business model. There is plenty of money being made, and plenty more to be made.

    Fergal Sharey argued that less new talent will get a chance because of illegal downloads… I just think heavy promotion costs are normally levelled at impressionable 14 year girls mainly. I have no interest in the the sort of music which is more about the image, sex or idealised lifestyle it portrays. It is more often than not bad music, disposable junk that we will forget about completely in a decade. If you take a look at the average music poster or billboard, and I think some of you will see what I mean. The word ‘artist’ doesn’t immediately spring to mind… more performer or pantomime, or expensive karaoke singer is often a better description. One could argue that is talent, but then so is a dancing monkey, but we donlt have that rammed down our throats by almost every commercial TV and radio station, and every square inch of billboard space taken up by it either. In fact about 80% of that what was expensive to promote in the past years I could have done without. I only know about them because it is forced on me, is the pinnacle of British music, or the best there is, no, not by a long shot, and the sorts of people who can perform and write good music, likely are not good looking enough to get the target market excited with hormonal lust.

     
  15. sandor Says:
    March 20th, 2010 at 12:59 pm

    How about that I invent that who ever insults me over the TV with their horible soft porn music video, or horible voice with no talent has to pay me:
    $1.000.000.000.000 dollars?
    Why is that not so?
    Because I don’t pay the “law” to protect my interest.
    All teenagers should be “locked behind the bars for this or at least jailed for lifetime or worse”. That would teach them what good taste in music is.

     
  16. Jeff Band Says:
    March 21st, 2010 at 8:15 pm

    The main problem is that the ways to stop (If it’s needed) file sharing is all wrong. Most of the comments here only agree or show their opinion, but I would hate the idea that I could be held liable for downloading something I already own in hard format. The industry at the moment asumes that all those who use file sharing use it illeagaly, which isn’t true.So why should I be punished.

    Also, in response to sandor’s comment. Who is anyone to dictate anything we do. Why should people be punished for liking music, or using the internet how they choose. You choose to watch TV.

    We should be living a democracy, it seems we live in a place that means we decide who will make choices that affect us without our choice. What an illusion.

     
  17. Jeff Band Says:
    March 21st, 2010 at 8:18 pm

    And Barry Collins, your hover over text for your image says panroama instead of panorama.

     
  18. Graham Says:
    March 23rd, 2010 at 11:01 pm

    More thoughts on assuming all file sharing being wrong.( Note not illegal)Take for example family guy. Bought the DVD’s, paid my TV licence, watched the ads on FX ( I think ) paid for sky ( bound to have been on there sometime) want it on my ipod? guess what – gotta pay for it again. The only legal copy I am allowed to make is to record it from broadcast – even then Virginmedia sometimes tells me I can’t. Ask yourself a question “How many times do you have to pay for the same content?” I admit to downloading copyrighted material. Sometimes I can’t be bothered to change format (Another felony) sometimes my CD has been damaged. Sometimes what I want to buy is no longer availiable. Sometimes I hear / see something that interests me I download or watch on youtube.( Not everything on youtube is properly licensed or so I am led to believe)(and if I like it I WILL buy it) I get heartily pi**ed off thinking about how many times I have to break the law just to enjoy content I have already paid for – sometimes more than the once. Any law that tells me I am not allowed to hold an image of a HD disc ( That I own ) on a file server in my own home or listen to a cd via my ipod cannot be relevant. If people see the law as a joke they will break it – if the law appears reasonable they will abide by it. To return to the analogy of the handbag theft – It is wrong to steal a handbag – no arguments there – If the man who sold you the handbag tells you that you can only use that particular handbag on a friday whilst wearing that off the shoulder red dress unless you buy a license for use on saturdays with a little black number – you see the problem with analogys

     
  19. dodge1963 Says:
    March 24th, 2010 at 1:11 pm

    I thought Leatherface Wiley was a bizarre choice for presenter.

     
  20. dodge1963 Says:
    March 24th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Not only is she a record industry stooge by virtue of being married to a big label A&R man (surely a conflict of interest for a BBC Radio DJ)

     
  21. dodge1963 Says:
    March 24th, 2010 at 1:14 pm

    Jowelly Wiley looked completely bemused by anything vaguely technical throughout the entire program. Obviously finding out she was an Apple user came as no surprise, although the fact each of her thirty kids had a different coloured apple laptop was very disturbing.

     
  22. dodge1963 Says:
    March 24th, 2010 at 1:18 pm

    Sorry for the instalments, wouldn’t let me post due to a dodgy word, so I had to use process of elimination to work out what it was. Unfortunately I can’t say what it was because I can’t type it here, however it wasn’t a swear word and didn’t contain one (ie Scunthorpe).

     
  23. bushbrother Says:
    March 24th, 2010 at 1:45 pm

    Anyone else notice that everytime they mentioned “the pirate bay” they actually typed in the wrong website address? They were typing the fake address that charges money! haha! Not that I know what the correct one is …

     
  24. Alien333 Says:
    March 25th, 2010 at 1:34 pm

    I’d like to listen to an album before I buy it, without having to traipse down to a record shop and put on a pair of infected earphones just to find out that the album I was thinking of buying was full of junk, apart from the one track played on the radio or TV, and a thirty second snippet on Amazon just isn’t enough for me.
    Also, why should I have to pay yet again for something I’ve already paid for (Frequently more than once) previously in a different format?
    I pay my TV license, Sky, Taxes, so why can I not listen to or watch content in my own time when I feel like it?
    MP3 quality is way below CD quality, so why do companies charge the same, or even more for poorer quality music?
    On many occasions I’ve seen MP3 albums for sale for around £15 when the original, full quality CD is available for less than half the price. Whats THAT about?
    Stealing seems to have taken on a new meaning nowadays too.
    Before file sharing, when someone stole something, they deprived the original owner of the object stolen.
    This is ILLEGAL COPYING.
    I wish people would get their terminology right in these things, as it just serves to confuse the matter even further.

     
  25. gps car dvd Says:
    April 21st, 2010 at 6:28 am

    Thank you for the great work that you have done here.If you are a parent and are allowing your child to do anything on a computer. Saying that you don’t know what you are doing with computers is not an excuse. If you are letting them use a computer, you should do your homework and find out the risks – both for them and for you.

     
  26. Peter Nisbet Says:
    June 13th, 2010 at 9:29 pm

    The music industry has been screwing us for years for plastic disks that cost next to nothing to make, and when kids prove they can use the internet better than the big moguls they bleat about it!

    Rather than spend money make it impossible to copy their music (which is easily done)they hit the kids and their mums – that’s what i call a bad-tempered repsonse to their technical inadequacies.

    Rather than bleat about kids breaking the law, how about their little darling artists that break the drug laws every day and get away with it?

    Biter bit I say, and now they are offering music tracks online just as they should have been doing years ago when the technology became avaialble. Would that have happened were it not for these kids giving them red faces? I think not, so well done to the (so-called) illegal downloaders!

    I call them heroes.

    Pete

     
  27. silky shard Says:
    September 30th, 2010 at 5:59 am

    I agree with the argument. Parents have a responsibility to control their children. There should be a proper way to control the internet access by using the web browsers too.

     
  28. Moses Says:
    January 19th, 2011 at 1:26 pm

    As a parent, I agree with the point that parents are partly responsible for their children actions.

    However, having been young once, I know that children will have their own ways to get around their parents, especially when kids are so smart nowadays.

    In my humble opinion, the best way to address the issue is to tackle the root of the problem, which is to close down the sites that are promoting or allowing piracy activities in the first place.

    Moses

     

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