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Posted on December 14th, 2009 by Tim Danton

Is Windows 7 killing your hard disks?

The Windows 7 error message telling me my hard disk is dying I might simply be unlucky, or it could be that Windows 7 is a hard-disk killer. In the past two months, three different laptops running Windows 7 have totally died on me, while one had a minor collapse and refused to boot for an hour.

First of all, I should make it clear that these machines don’t have an easy life. My laptop travels with me wherever I go, and they have a fair bit of punishment on a daily basis: slung into a laptop bag and down a hill on a bike; into London on the train; and then a 25-minute walk bumping up and down before I get into the office. And then all the way back at the end of the working day.

Nevertheless, for the past six years two ThinkPads have survived without incident for three years apiece. Until I installed Windows 7 RC on the latest one, and the hard disk died. It’s currently sitting in my desk-side drawer whilst I consider what to do with it.

The Dennis IT department sprang to the rescue, offering me a spare workaday laptop from their collection. The first one lasted for less than a month before its hard disk whimpered its way into obsolescence.

Once more, our trusty IT team gazed into their cupboard and fished out a replacement – the exact same model. This one kept going for less than a week.

I initially blamed the two successive failures on the ageing 1.8in hard disks they used, but my confidence has been shaken again today. On Friday, I set up a new system: a desktop PC at work, a netbook to take on my travels. Both of them running Windows 7 and synchronising vital data via the cloud.

The desktop is still working fine, but the netbook wouldn’t boot for my journey into work, with Windows 7’s startup repair system eventually declaring it irreparable. Then, bizarrely, when I plugged it in at work the netbook started to work again (and it still is).

So, the question: am I alone in this? Or is my growing paranoia about Windows 7 and hard disks entirely unfair, and more due to my maltreatment of laptops than my choice of OS? Perhaps, as Steve Cassidy keeps on telling me, it’s time to drop the mechanical hard disk entirely and move to SSDs.

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  1. Greg Wallis Says:
    December 14th, 2009 at 5:29 pm

    I thought this about Vista, which is why I turned off indexing and every other useless HD intensive activity. Works fine, now. Disks continuously chuntering away in the background simply isn’t acceptable.

     
  2. David W Says:
    December 14th, 2009 at 5:33 pm

    Running all day long on a July 2009 Toshiba Tecra and a 2006 FJS Scaleo P desktop without any problems so far (touches wood).

     
  3. Andrew Anthony Says:
    December 14th, 2009 at 5:36 pm

    Do you shut it down or just put it to sleep? Windows 7 runs defrag on a schedule and might be kicking in whilst you’re on the move.

     
  4. Tim Danton Says:
    December 14th, 2009 at 5:46 pm

    @Andrew I just put it to sleep, in general at least. But I would expect a modern laptop to cope with defragging (and lots more hard-disk activity) whilst on the move.

     
  5. Andrew Anthony Says:
    December 14th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    Might be worth trying hibernate rather than sleep (or full shutdown) at least to rule out the possibility?

     
  6. Ben Says:
    December 14th, 2009 at 5:59 pm

    We’ve noticed loads of activity on Vista workstations we’ve got (they seem to work away all lunchtime), but less with Win7.

    (By the way the capcha for this was “havoc visitng”)

     
  7. Tim Danton Says:
    December 14th, 2009 at 6:08 pm

    @Andrew I’ll give it a go! After a set time, though, it hibernates anyway.

     
  8. Kevin Partner Says:
    December 14th, 2009 at 6:12 pm

    hi Tim,
    one of my PCs (quite a recent one) throws up the blue screen of death in Vista occasionally when I try to wake it from sleep. I shut down every time now and no further problems.

     
  9. Another Ben Says:
    December 14th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    I have an x41 running the RC version and I have had no issues so far. in fact it is much faster than XP.
    I did find that to install Win7 on a ThinkPad you have to hunt around for the correct Lenovo drivers and to overwrite the power management defaults etc. Also disable as many pointless services that hammer the HDD for no reason.
    You could also check the HDDs using SpinRite to see where it might have gone wrong.

     
  10. Daniel Says:
    December 14th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    No problems with me or anyone I know. I have 2 systems running fine, one on a conventional hard disk and the other on SSD. We do tend to shut down rather than sleep.

     
  11. Paul B Says:
    December 14th, 2009 at 7:30 pm

    I usually partly disable Superfetch and indexing when I use Vista or 7. I still enable Superfetch for startup processes (you can do this by changing a registry key). I’ve found doing these things keeps HD activity to a minimum in 7.

     
  12. muck Says:
    December 14th, 2009 at 7:36 pm

    I think it’s just you.

     
  13. A V Says:
    December 14th, 2009 at 8:34 pm

    I also have a ThinkPad, or rather, have had two. Both are rock solid and the only reason for getting rid of the first was to get the second. I have retained both hard disks and have one of their ultrabay adapters; both still work.

    I did disable indexing in Vista; also, I run Fedora most of the time. Nevertheless both disks have survived multiple re-formats and re-installs, huge data restores and both are still going.

    As always, laptops *should* survive is not the same as laptops *will* survive. I don’t suppose you need indexing and if you do, how about a dedicated appliance and web front end to indexed corporate file-stores accessed over a VPN, rather than beating the hell out of your laptop?

     
  14. Jo Says:
    December 14th, 2009 at 11:08 pm

    My Win 7 desktop is doing what your netbook is doing on regular occasions, say 1 out of 5 boots. With the startup repair system also eventually declaring it irreparable. But i just reboot and off it goes again like nothing is wrong. I must say that it is running on a fresh install and on a brand new Seagate terabyte.It never sleeps or hibernates and gets a shutdown at night with a fresh boot every morning.
    Guess its time to jump on the SSD bandwagon…

     
  15. Steve Cassidy Says:
    December 14th, 2009 at 11:12 pm

    Sir just said the magic word; 1.8 inch disks. They are not up to much and were showing signs of age back in the plain old XP days. I’ve had the RC on my T60 full-szie thinkypoo since last august, on a 320Gb SATA mechanical drive, and it’s been absolutely fine. I would lay a small bet that my laptop leads a more mobile life than yours…

     
  16. Karl Says:
    December 14th, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    Write cacheing on a hard disk – disable it.

     
  17. Gregg Says:
    December 14th, 2009 at 11:44 pm

    I thought it was just me,my desktop is doing a similar thing with windows 7.The same system has run XP and Vista with no probs but 7 plays up but only just recently. Did a roll back the first time as it said it couldnt repair and all seemed fine for two days. I shut the system dow and when I restarted it, it got stuck in the boot up. Turned it off and on again and hey presto on we go. I’m sure Microsoft will deal with it eventually.Hasn’t killed my hard drives though,touch wood.

     
  18. surfingsimon Says:
    December 14th, 2009 at 11:49 pm

    Im on Vista with a top of the range dell xps: constant hard disk activity rendered it slower than my nearly dead 4 year old vaio. I disabled indexing and a couple of other things and works ok now but still takes about 5 mins for all hard disk activity to stop after startup. Disappointed to hear that this issue continues in 7…

     
  19. Darwin Says:
    December 15th, 2009 at 4:26 am

    Buy a Mac

     
  20. Nikolai Says:
    December 15th, 2009 at 6:48 am

    Darwin: yeah, I hear the new 27″ ones are perfect. No cracked or dead screens, no flickering or bad colors, they never show up DOA, and using a guest account doesn’t delete all your data.

    Oh, wait, that’s right, they do all those things! Sweet!

    Mr Danton: well, I’ve had several computers running various flavors of Win7 for almost a year now. Mostly I set them to sleep when I’m done, and one is a server that is on for months at a time (minus updating). No hardware problems of any sort. Obviously, neither of our experiences is proof of a trend, but I haven’t heard of any correlation between Win7 and HDD failures, so I’d wager you’re unlucky. Still a bummer though.

     
  21. Myke Says:
    December 15th, 2009 at 7:57 am

    Been running W7 on my Aspire One-150 netbook since a week after it came out, using the Netbook as a testbed to see if I liked the O/S. Theory being that if it ran alright on a netbook it should be hunky-dory on any other machine. BTW, thanks to PcPro for the info about educational discounts/downloads, as it only cost me £30!! Re above discussion and disk drives;- I have had no problems at all so far, boots OK every time, and no screens of death, blue or black. W7 runs just fine on my netbook, I haven’t noticed increased disk activity, or heat fan activity either for that matter. It is at least as fast as XP used to be on the same machine. Though given the discussion and the info on it, I might now trial disabling the disk indexing service, just to see if it affects noise levels, and battery life. I will certainly consider disable it on my other Acer laptop running W7 (still going strong too), and my main PC when I eventually upgrade it. Perhaps the problems are an accident or coincidence relating to a particular disk technology, or size, or even brand?

     
  22. Jason Says:
    December 15th, 2009 at 11:47 am

    You’re not running a SSD? Standard HDD are soooo 2009!

     
  23. jon honeyball Says:
    December 15th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    if it is running a defrag whilst in sleep mode, then there is a serious bug.

     
  24. neilq Says:
    December 15th, 2009 at 4:06 pm

    I built a brand new system with Win7 but after a few days it kept telling me that my hard drive was about to fail. I had SMART disabled in the BIOS and enabling it fixed it. WIN7 diagnostics was trying to probe the drive and getting junk back?

     
  25. Todd Says:
    December 15th, 2009 at 5:17 pm

    This sounds like hardware failure to me. 2 identical laptops demonstrate identical errors? Sounds like a faulty hard drive design. Computer intermittently fails to boot? I’ve seen that happen more times than I like to admit. You likely have a failing hard drive, HD controller, loose connection, or possibly just poor ventilation in your work area.

     
  26. Frase Says:
    December 16th, 2009 at 5:10 am

    i have serversrunning win 7 NOT RC and thay always fk up on me now since the switch from xp pro and ive lost all my hosting equipment in one of the losses and these WHere running 24/7 now i use a cheap hosting compny and my laptop at home to run my osting needs can i recover my docos???

     
  27. tealondon Says:
    December 16th, 2009 at 6:51 am

    Nope, no problems here. Have Win7 running on about a dozen machines, 3 with RAID5, the rest as standard mechanical drives – Toshiba, Western Digital and Seagate. I do notice however that there is a massive amount of disk activity almost all the time. The RAID units buzz and clang quite a bit – and this increased activity does occasionally cause a performance stutter. Considering laptop drives are slower, I can only imagine a lot of this increased disk activity will only ensure misery in terms of performance, and beating the unit into the ground. Guess SD is the way to go, at least for portable computers…

     
  28. BlueSpider Says:
    December 16th, 2009 at 12:20 pm

    There was probably a reason your IT dept had a couple of the exact same (used) laptops in it’s cupboard. The fact the y both failed similarily would lead me to believe they had been returned as not fully operational and then frankensteined into serviceable laptops. As Steve says, 1.8″ disks weren’t very good at the best of times.

     
  29. Doug Says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 8:54 am

    I am running W7 on my main tower system and it keeps waking up from Sleep in the middle of the night. So last night I enabled Hibernate and hibernated it instead of sleeping it. Surprise, surprise it woke up again. I can only assume Norton 360 or W7’s own maintenance schedule is kicking off but I can’t find any scheduled event causing it to happen. A full system virus scan doesn’t show up any problems.
    Also I have had a couple of chkdsk runs on startup recently repairing and reparsing files.

     
  30. Phil Says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 11:01 am

    I had/have a pc that I put Win 7 Pro on – it ran XP fine but couldn’t handle Vista. Recently I had managed to install a printer – again OK for XP wouldn’nt go in Vista – than a couple of weeks ago the printer stopped working, I could scan and copy but prints disappeared into ???. Then 1 day on boot it couldn’t find a system disc, bios check didn’t show anything missing so I loaded the Win 7 boot disc and have now reinstalled the OS and the printer now works fine however I have yet to validate the key, which is MS Partner pack, because it keeps saying it’s invalid

     
  31. Peter Says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 11:01 am

    I’ve generally had no problems except with my MCE machine under the telly and that has become unusable since installing Win 7 (I’ve tried 32 and 64 bit installs). I was using a single drive but last night I put Win7 on its own disk and that runs better but the Win7 disk is still overactive.

    If the machine is coming out of sleep you need to check the scheduled tasks because there are lots of things which can now bring the computer out of sleep and some of the times chosen seem a bit random.

     
  32. Tim Says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 11:40 am

    My current Dell XPS M1710 laptop is three years old and started life running MCE on a 120GB 5400rpm drive. As soon as my Vista upgrade disk shipped I installed that. Earlier this year I upgraded the drive to a 320GB 7200 rpm model and installed Vista. I have since installed Windows 7 onto that drive on the day of release. The old 120GB is redeployed as a USB backup drive.

    My laptop is typically on for 12-16 hours a day, most days of the week and gets plenty of use for photo editing and, more recently, video editing of my Canon 7D and 5D2 HD files with high bit rates.

    Usually the laptop gets sent to sleep in between sessions but I do hibernate it and power off too. It never gets moved further than between the living room and dining room.

    I have taken no special steps to disable indexing or reducing caching of any kind. A weekly defrag is scheduled. Disk activity is pretty much as I would expect.
    To date I have had no issues of concern with the drives I have used.

     
  33. Martin Says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 4:51 pm

    Surely it’s to do with the disks. The physical size of a 2.5″ hdd has not changed but there are more and more mb available so either there are more thinner platters or more tightly written files. Much the same could be said about 3.5″ drives, I gather there have been some problems with terrabyte drives as well.

     
  34. ADarkGerm Says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 6:01 pm

    I had a HD die under XP, it would not take a fresh install, but Windows 7 went on fine. Theni decided to try again with a very low level format and test, hours later, XP installed again. I think there is malicious software that infects HD. It was not physical but logical! So please before you throw away your HD do a low level format, not using windows OS’s.

    dog.walker@live.co.uk for more information

     
  35. Unlucky Spitter Says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 7:01 pm

    My case is even more weird. One day i brought a Windows 7 pack in the office and just because of that ALL the computers immediately shut down. It took more than two weeks to realize that all we had to do is take the package out.

     
  36. Steve Says:
    December 17th, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    I’ve been running XP from my 1TB Samsung 103uj for 18 months very happily. Within 1 month of running Win7 it died. When I try to boot I just get a horrible rattling sound from the disk. Are there disks better suited to 7? I need one soon!

     
  37. Shu Says:
    December 18th, 2009 at 2:05 pm

    Could the problem be related to the cold weather and moisture condensation on the older hardware as you go from outside to inside on such a regular basis? Is the desktop still the only one functioning?

     
  38. Alperian Says:
    December 18th, 2009 at 3:58 pm

    I have had just about every make of HDD fail on me (except Seagate & Maxtor funnily enough) so that is what I buy. I too turned off Vistas indexing/super-caching/hibernation/whatever, because it was caning the HDD. I keep my work on a separate drive and remove all the shadow copies/system restores every couple of weeks. However, mine is a desktop machine. With a laptop, there be dragons. Shouldn’t you just factor in the ‘occasional’ failure of a hdd in a laptop?

     
  39. AndrewUK Says:
    December 20th, 2009 at 10:15 am

    Funny, my free version of Linux Mint on my nearly 10 year old Dell x200 seems to only access the hard drive when I ask the PC to do something. In the mean time it is silent and does nothing. Works really well and I can tell you that the laptop has seen some beatings over a decade.

    But I can see why people like Microsoft ….. Windows 95/Me/NT/XP/Vista/7 …… errr actually I can’t. WAKE UP EVERY ONE!!

     
  40. SwissMac Says:
    December 21st, 2009 at 11:41 am

    Macs index their files when you save them. Seems more logical than saving it, then every so often asking a different program to index the disk blindly. If you switch your disk indexing off, your file searches will become much slower than those on a Mac. Macs just use better logic.

     
  41. anthonysjones Says:
    December 22nd, 2009 at 1:12 pm

    Has the hard drive died or is it merely corrupt? can it be formatted and re-used? if it’s genuinely died and needs replacing do you not think this is a hardware problem!!! Like common sense would dictate.

    Hard drives are getting bigger and bigger and the technology more fragile, granted they’re still reliable but a wrongly placed whack in a laptop and KAPUT!! I’ve installed 7 on countless laptops/desktops and had no issues whatsoever. I’m almost in love with Bill Gates hahaha!

     
  42. Cliff Says:
    December 24th, 2009 at 5:39 pm

    Do we trust that Win7 has also the perfect native drivers for laptop upgrades? Upgrading in the old days meant that there were sometimes missed support for power management causing overheating. Though have noticed on my new custom built system that Win7 thrashes the HD excessively, especially with media centre (seems to need to cache ALL the photos at EVERY startup?!?!)

     
  43. Dave Says:
    December 27th, 2009 at 12:05 pm

    Creating an article just because you had a bad run of Harddisks or by your own admission it may be mishandling then blaming it on the OS sounds like plain bad apples.

    Thats almost as good as Swissmac saying his OS could save a dead HD because of its “logic”.

     
  44. John Chapman Says:
    December 27th, 2009 at 11:00 pm

    Could it be that your hard drives are affected by being cold? Try letting them warm up a little before starting the machine.

    I’ve been running W7 since the day before it was released (My copy arrived a day early) No hard drive problems at all.

     
  45. Jim Says:
    December 30th, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    I’ve been running W7 for about two months, on a self-built 8-month-old system which had been running Vista flawlessly. Yesterday evening I switched on, and it gets as far as the splash screen before rebooting and subsequently declaring the problem unfixable. I haven’t found any useful info on the internet other than ‘reformat and hope.’

    It does seem a little odd that this is happening, anecdotally at least, quite a lot. I now need to buy a new HDD to transfer my files, before reformatting and reinstalling.

    Has Microsoft released a statement?

     
  46. Jim Says:
    December 30th, 2009 at 11:25 pm

    Update: Trying to undo a restore point shows a ‘Critical Update’ on 28/12. Undoing this restore point fixes the system. Trouble is, the latest MS update was apparently 8th Dec – so not sure how to track down exactly what updates occurred and avoid them next time…!

     
  47. Tsotne Says:
    January 2nd, 2010 at 5:37 am

    Been running Windows 7 for 3 months on my HP Pavilion dv7-1448dx laptop. There’s NOTHING like that. Works like a bee, smart, clean, smooth. No HDD failure, Max. usage of RAM 40% (running Kaspersky Internet Security 2010). It can manage lots of programs working at the same time. Of course I do not bump and drop it like that, but if so, it’s got a software called HP 3D DriveGuard (guards against data loss due to sudden drops and bumps).

     
  48. Larry Says:
    February 25th, 2010 at 3:12 pm

    I have the same suspicion after 3 different hard disks failed 1 after another. They make clicking noises. They’re in 2 different desktop PCs, which is usually running all the time. I ran WinXP before without HD problem. First, I though it’s WD poor quality, but the 3rd HD is a Seagate.

     
  49. Sigma957 Says:
    March 31st, 2010 at 10:10 am

    Don’t buy a Mac, 69 vulnerabilities needing to be patched (so far)? I’ll pass.
    Regarding your OS problem and the BSOD.
    Some of you should probably replace your power supply in your PC if you’re using desktop DELLs, HPs etc. You probably have crappy Bestec ones that explode after awhile (check out the Corsiar PSU stress test on youtube). Lots of BSODs can be attributed to bad PSUs, not enough power cycling. I had a Bestec explode after being switched back on, seen another generic shoot current into a Biostar motherboard and literally burn the PCB (actual flames). Most review sites agree that you should not have a cheap PSU. Which is why I don’t use any of the aformentioned OEM companies. I custom build, use only Corsair, BFG, OCZ or Thermaltake PSUs. Have only had 1 BSOD in 7, caused by a failing 9800 GTX+ OC 1GB GPU

     
  50. dreambox 800 Says:
    April 26th, 2010 at 4:49 pm

    I’m not sure the Windows 7 killed hard disks. Because everything is ok for my laptop.

     
  51. jack Says:
    May 8th, 2010 at 12:45 am

    windows 7 has killed one of my samsung 1tb hard drives and is on the way to killing another 500gb samsung hard drive. both satas.

    thanks microshit.

     
  52. Laptop Performance Says:
    October 10th, 2010 at 11:09 pm

    I don’t think so, actually I thought that was Vista’s job :) No seriously, Vista thrashes hard drives even once loaded unless you turn off the background Windows Defender scanning. It doesn’t matter how much RAM a laptop has installed. Personally I find Windows 7 much better though.

    Cheers
    Rob

     

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