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Posted on October 28th, 2009 by Barry Collins

Who’s viewing PCPro.co.uk on an Amiga?

PC scrapheap Yesterday’s story on how more than 10% of PCPro.co.uk readers were already running Windows 7 caused something of a kerfuffle. However, it wasn’t the swift uptake of Microsoft’s newborn operating system that yanked people’s chains; it was the fact that 6.8% of our visitors were still running Windows 95 that sparked mild hysteria.

“Call me a doubting Thomas but I just don’t believe the Windows 95 figure,” said rjp2000, commenting on the story. “I haven’t seen a Win 95 PC in the wild for years. Has anybody else seen one recently?”

Well, rjp, I promise you that it’s true. In fact, Windows 95 looks positively bleeding edge compared to some of the operating systems that darken our door.

Vital statistics

But before I reveal what these relics are, I should perhaps explain how we know what operating system you’re running, lest we’re accused of planting spyware on readers’ machines. Every time you visit our website, a text-string known as the User Agent is sent in the HTTP header, telling our servers which browser and operating system you’re running. (The excellent Browser Spy demonstrates what other information your browser reveals about you). Our website analytics software collates this information, so we know which browsers we need to test our website with when we redesign the site, for example.

The stats for the month of October so far reveal that no fewer than 23 different operating systems have been used to access our website (the full list is at the bottom of this post). I can’t reveal the exact number as it’s commercially sensitive, but I can tell you the number of visitors still running Windows 95 is in the tens of thousands.

Hundreds are still turning up with Windows 3.x PCs, which must be at least 15 years old by now. Hundreds more foolhardy souls are persevering with Windows ME – an operating system that makes Vista look polished.

However, it’s when you get right down to the bottom of the list that the prefects of the old-school begin to emerge. Ten of you have turned up at our website this month running IBM’s OS/2. Two of you, and I’d dearly love to know who you are, have viewed this website using a Commodore Amiga.

I’ll confess. I didn’t even know the Amiga had a web browser (my Amiga 1200 hasn’t been out of the loft since I left university). Our newly-crowned technical editor, Darien Graham-Smith, earned his stripes by pointing me in the direction of iBrowse, an Amiga browser with “JavaScript support, tabbed browsing, a customisable GUI layout and support for some Netscape and IE extensions.” Colour me astonished.

iBrowse

But the question I want answered is: why? Why in 2009 are you still browsing our website with an Amiga? Is it pure necessity? An overwhelming affection for beige hardware? Or just because you can?

I demand answers.

THE FULL LIST OF OPERATING SYSTEMS USED TO VIEW PCPRO.CO.UK IN OCTOBER 2009

1. Windows XP

2. Windows Vista

3. Windows 7

4. Macintosh

5. Windows 95

6. Linux

7. Windows 2000

8. Wireless Devices

9. Other (unidentified OSes)

10. Windows 98

11. Sun SunOS

12. Windows 3.x

13. Windows NT

14. Windows ME

15. FreeBSD

16. Misc. Unix

17. Windows CE

18. IBM OS/2

19. Amiga

20. Hewlett Packard HP-UX

21. Silicon Graphics IRIX

22. Sun Solaris

23. WebTV

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44 Responses to “ Who’s viewing PCPro.co.uk on an Amiga? ”

  1. Nick Says:
    October 28th, 2009 at 3:05 pm

    Windows 95 is ABOVE Linux.. what does that tell you? – think you need to have more articles about 95′ users than linux in pcpro the market is Obviously bigger!

     
  2. Christopher Phin Says:
    October 28th, 2009 at 3:29 pm

    In the last month, Analytics tells me, we’ve had one user accessing our site from Windows CE. Brilliant.

     
  3. John Says:
    October 28th, 2009 at 3:30 pm

    So many on Windows ‘95 and even Amiga and yet none on RISC OS? Or are they part of ‘Other’. Come on someone, dust down RISC OS and get surfing. Perhaps PC Pro could publish this list every month….

     
  4. Neil Says:
    October 28th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    I set up my Amiga 1200 on a 2Mb broadband, with a 10Mb network card. A large number of sites didn’t display too well admittedly though, but a surprising number did. Sadly the hard drive has since bit the dust.

     
  5. Richard (rjp2000) Says:
    October 28th, 2009 at 3:51 pm

    Barry, I’m still not convinced. For example, if you check out the stats at http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_os.asp

    You’ll find that Win 95 isn’t even mentioned, which is what I would expect. I looked at the stats from a few other sites and it was the same story. Why would PCPro (which after all is aimed at the tech savvy) be so out of line?

     
  6. simbr Says:
    October 28th, 2009 at 3:53 pm

    Alas it is not I. My humble A500 is stowed away, has no modem (and the memory expansion self destructed). I do remember someone in the forums mentioning they still used an Amiga though.
    It is also possible some of those stats are faked since it is possible to spoof the headers. Some of them may even be bots or website strippers masking their fingerprint.

     
  7. stokegabriel Says:
    October 28th, 2009 at 4:07 pm

    You just couldn’t resist having a go at win Me could you. Well let me tell you when I first got my hands on a release of Vi$ta the network connection could barely get to 10% of the speed I was getting in win Me. My Win Me lappy has proved every bit as reliable as XP, XP of course standing for Xtra Performance, as it is still the fastest OS M$ have ever released, and as we all know Win7 isn’t a new OS, it’s just a reincarnation of Vi$ta and actually it’s not Win7 at all, underneath the hood I think you will find it is actually Win6.1.

     
  8. DrRamtop Says:
    October 28th, 2009 at 4:32 pm

    The Amiga visitors are probably not using old Commodore Amigas, but the more modern PowerPC-based AmigaOne or Sam440 systems. These have processors running in the 500MHz-1.2GHz range and run AmigaOS 4.0, which is massively updated over the 3.x version that Commodore’s Amigas used.

    I used to own an an AmigaOne with OS 4.0. The OS is wonderful: elegant, fast, lightweight and polished – in many ways better than Windows or OS X. But the AmigaOne hardware was buggy, unreliable and generally terrible.

     
  9. greemble Says:
    October 28th, 2009 at 4:40 pm

    I like the idea of publishing this list monthly – if only to see what strange and obscure systems will appear.
    An excuse to delve into the attic and see whether we can get the old stuff up and running – and connected.

     
  10. Henry Says:
    October 28th, 2009 at 4:45 pm

    What’s odd is that when i go to the browserspy site, it says i am running XP when i am running Windows 7 Browser IE7/8. But when i use another browser it says the MS Windows NT framework 6.1. Why is that?

     
  11. Ralph Hardwick Says:
    October 28th, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    User agents are not 100% accurate. They can be faked or generated incorrectly for various reasons. If I had to guess (and I’ve been in the web industry since 1996) I would say that most of the Windows 95 computers are running Windows XP but were upgraded from Windows 95 and the registry keys weren’t updated correctly.

     
  12. Ralph Hardwick Says:
    October 28th, 2009 at 7:27 pm

    @ Henry – windows 6.1 is the release of windows NT that windows 7 actually is. Confusing eh! Different browsers will take the OS string from different registry keys, hence the difference.

     
  13. Ian Says:
    October 28th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    Can you distinguish between virtual machines and host/guest operating systems? I’m able to run Amiga OS 3.0 with my copy of Amiga Forever and the internet browser does indeed work – no pictures, mainly text but it worked with pcpro.co.uk when I tried it last year… so I’m wondering if those 2 people have actualy used a virtual version of the Amiga OS rather than having connected firectly via

     
  14. Dave Farquhar Says:
    October 28th, 2009 at 8:13 pm

    As for how, there are a couple of possibilities. Could be people running on new hardware, or people using an emulator.

    As for motive… It could be the challenge. It could be simply because they can. There are people putting C-64s online for the same reasons, and an Amiga makes for a more viable online experience than a C-64 does.

    I was once a huge Amiga fan myself. The machine was a good decade ahead of its time, providing good multimedia capabilities, fully pre-emptive multitasking, and plug-and-play that really worked way back in 1985. Every time I think about it, I think about what might have been.

     
  15. Arek Says:
    October 28th, 2009 at 8:23 pm

    The list doesn’t seem to make sense indeed. My observations (and common sense) suggest Windows 98 should be higher up than 95.

     
  16. Mark Stewart Says:
    October 28th, 2009 at 8:37 pm

    You found one user using Amiga OS on a virtual machine, maybe I am the other one of the two? I have an Amiga image setup on AmigaUE.

     
  17. Vincent Perkins Says:
    October 29th, 2009 at 8:02 am

    find out why they are still amiga users watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD9NPPiuUec

     
  18. Barry Collins Says:
    October 29th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    Thanks for all the comments.

    We’ll certainly dig deeper to find out why there’s such a high proportion of “Windows 95″ machines. It could be spoofing, although I can think of no obvious reason to spoof as Windows 95.

    It might be that visitors from developing nations, with older, recycled computers are running Windows 95, although I have no evidence to back that up and the analytics software can’t break OS down by country, sadly.

    Barry Collins
    Online Editor

     
  19. David Wright Says:
    October 29th, 2009 at 12:19 pm

    RJP – the w3schools website is used mainly by developers, so they will tend to be using Mac or Windows XP+ for the development tools, so not really surprising that the more esoteric browsers and OSes don’t appear in their logs.

    For information, I retired 2 Windows 98 machines last year, upgrading family members to modern Vista machines – mainly because websites like eBay had stopped working on the old hardware!

    Downstairs, in the stationery office, there is a Windows 95 machine. In the office at the end of the corridor, there is a machine running MS-DOS and a terminal emulator to get into the 20 year old UNIX manufacturing system!

    Over in the lab there is still an old IBM PC dual floppy sitting on a workbench! Although it isn’t connected to the net.

    That all makes the “standard” PC here look positively poweful – 1.6Ghz Athlon XP, 256MB RAM! :-S

     
  20. toby mills Says:
    October 29th, 2009 at 12:32 pm

    i think its important to know that this is a world wide accessed web site. it would be interesting to tie these numbers to geographical data to see where these people are coming from.

    finally can you imagine reading about the latest greatest PC’s etc while surfing on windows 3.11!?!

    Im suprised the site even displays.

     
  21. Bolton Peck Says:
    October 29th, 2009 at 4:31 pm

    Amiga and its fans make Mac fanboys look like wussies. The only thing that Apple had, which Amiga sadly never did, was Steve Jobs. I type this from my Mac..

    With that said, there are two browsers available for the Amiga and its cousin, MorphOS. Sputnik, which runs on MorphOS and will do CSS web pages-including Youtube and eBay-within 128MB of hardware RAM. OWB, for MorphOS, AmigaOS 4.x and IIRC AROS, is similarly capable. Sputnik is the Webkit based work of one man (!) and OWB is a small team. Both deserve major kudos for bringing the modern web to old computers. Oh, and there’s a Firefox port in the works too. Websites for more info..

    http://www.amiga.org
    http://www.morphzone.org
    http://www.aros.org

    So just because it’s old doesn’t mean it can’t do modern things :-)

    So it is entirely po

     
  22. Alan Says:
    October 29th, 2009 at 6:55 pm

    Why use an Amiga? Because a decently specced Amiga is a joy to use, still. A B2000 with a 68030 card, or an A4000 with an 040, and 2-4MB RAM is superb to work on. Add a 24bit card, or a flicker fixer, and what else do you need? This is a 25yr old architecture, with an OS arguably as old, doing smooth pre-emptive multi-tasking, with more concurrently open and *running* apps than most PCs can still manage. Ok, the downside is “collaboration” with the outside world is nigh-on impossible, but for many tasks, it is still not just suitable, but in many ways superior. Create content in ProWrite, import into Pagestream and create newsletters and other DTP work, faster and easier then on a PC, for example. Copy a file to/from floppy and not see an hourglass… (I know PCs dont use them often, on an Ami one does so it is pertinent). Menu selection is so much easier, epsecially multiple item selection.

    Sure, when I want to watch x264 or listen to MP3, or email or create work documents, I use a PC. But the Amiga OS is just sooo much nicer.

    There again, my bet is now 10years old, with no takers. My machine against yours, to create and print a letter (address blocks, salutation, one line such as hello world, close) from power on to print finish; my machine is quicker and will finish first.

     
  23. Nils Says:
    October 29th, 2009 at 7:03 pm

    “Macintosh” is pretty dumb – I’d guess most (all?) are on some MacOS X. Are there any OS 9s left?

     
  24. Varthall Says:
    October 29th, 2009 at 9:02 pm

    AmigaOne user here, 1GHz G4 with latest AmigaOS 4.1. I use it because I like it! It’s fast and responsive, no DLL hell, simple system mainteinance, no fear of viruses and trojans, an interpreted language which is used by most programs (commercial and freeware) to control them programmatically, all temp files stored in a dynamic RAM disk. Plus I have always liked proprietary HW + SW platforms. I use it to browse Internet (I use OWB, which has more features than IBrowse), write emails, chat on IRC, MSN and (via web) Skype, port Linux software, listen to streaming radios, watch Divx anime, manage and store my photos.

    @DrRamtop
    I’m sorry to hear that you had problems with you A1. I can say that mine is stable and troubleless, at least so far.

     
  25. Varthall Says:
    October 29th, 2009 at 9:14 pm

    BTW I wouldn’t call Amiga “old”. The latest version of AmigaOS (4.1) has been released in September 2008, with a Quickfix released in June 2009. The latest released hardware is the Sam440ep-flex, released in April this year.

     
  26. Tripitaka Says:
    October 30th, 2009 at 12:14 am

    With the court battle between Amiga Inc. and Hyperion now concluded, I’m one PCPro subscriber who would just love to see an article in PCPro about the Amiga as it is now. For those of you who have lost track of the Amiga, take a look at this review of OS4 on the much respected Ars Technica site, you may be suprised.

     
  27. Tripitaka Says:
    October 30th, 2009 at 12:15 am

    http://arstechnica.com/software/news/2007/01/amigaos4.ars

    DOH! helps if I add the link.

     
  28. Rich Lawrence Says:
    October 30th, 2009 at 2:23 am

    Here’s something to really blow your mind! The Amiga Community even has a podcast! I know. Sexy huh? All that AND indoor plumbing!

     
  29. I_Hate_Freedom Says:
    October 30th, 2009 at 5:35 am

    There’s another browser for Amiga called Voyager (http://www.vapor.com/voyager/) that offers:
    ” * HTTP/1.1 connection keepalive, content negotiation and resume support
    * FTP connects keepalive and resume support
    * SSLv2, SSLv3 and TLSv1 encryption support, with up to 168 bit keys
    * ‘Javascript’ (ECMA-Script) scripting support
    * Low Level Plugin API supporting embedded objects
    * Fully user-controllable GUI with custom control panel placement, configurable navigation and fastlink buttons.
    * Macromedia Shockwave Flash compatible Player
    * Versatile Bookmarking system utilizing ContactManager
    * Internal web page editing with HTML tag highliting
    * Internal GIF, JPG, PNG, XBM decoding
    * Image buffers in Fast RAM ”
    in case anyone was curious.

     
  30. CrazyIcecap Says:
    October 30th, 2009 at 6:51 am

    Some of the unidentified entries might be from a C64, which also has a Browser and a network interface available, the RRNet with Contiki…see http://www.jschoenfeld.com/news/news88_e.htm

     
  31. Matt Says:
    October 30th, 2009 at 9:35 am

    ‘Windows 95 looks positively bleeding edge compared to some of the operating systems that darken our door’

    I sincerely hope you’re not trying to suggest that Windows 95 was cutting edge compared to the Amiga. If so, you really need to brush up on your computing history…

     
  32. Simon Says:
    October 30th, 2009 at 11:26 am

    I’ve just up’d the Win95 stats by a couple – on a old Win95 Meridian Access Terminal! I was suprised how well IE5.5 rendered and produced the pcpor site (and quickly as well), only thing it couldn’t do was play flash 10 adverts (nevermind :-) Anyway can you not cross reference some stats, i.e. I think the newest version of IE browser on Win95 is IE5.5 – do you get similar stats for access from IE5.5? Also does one visit get logged as one or does it log hits? Thus tens of thousands could be 100 win95 machines?

    And your analytics can’t tell you where in the world people are coming from?

     
  33. nOw2 Says:
    October 30th, 2009 at 12:30 pm

    My Amiga 4000 hasn’t been switch off since 2004. Before that it was the A1200. It hides behind my iMac and is used daily.
    However my iBrowse will not show up in your stats as, by necessity, it pretends to be a different platform.

     
  34. Rob Says:
    October 31st, 2009 at 12:44 am

    As has been mentioned, I doubt you’re getting the full picture, and there are more Amiga users around than you think. Most of the older Amiga browsers allow the user to type in any user agent string they like in the preferences, though with the newer browsers using the WebKit engine this is less of a necessity. I have a “modern” Amica here and use it for handling my music collection and 90% of my internet and communication needs, including web development. For the other 10% and for the odd game, I have the PC. But there’s something about turning on the Amiga and using it for a task that most people wouldn’t believe is possible… I can’t put a finger on it, but it just feels nicer. Turning on the PC is like turning on any PC – it works, it does its job, and that’s it. It’s an appliance, like the fridge or the washing machine. But the Amiga, I turn it on and it’s actually enjoyable to use. You could even go as far as to say it’s fun. And if I can make something more enjoyable, why the hell not? :)

     
  35. Michal Bergseth Says:
    October 31st, 2009 at 12:53 am

    Hi. I am using MorphOS, an AmigaOS for PPC. With it I am using OWB, a webkit based browser. Amiga is fully alive,.. just check it all on the web!

    http://www.amigaworld.net
    http://www.morphzone.org
    http://www.aminet.net
    http://www.amiga.org

    Amiga is alive, thanks to the brilliant speed of its OS which still none of the other operating systems matches, even today! Now you can run MorphOS on an MacMini G4 PPC also!

    http://www.morphos-team.net

    Amiga Community.. The Creative Community!

     
  36. Joey Bhananas Says:
    November 1st, 2009 at 4:24 am

    The best explanation is that some people like to run computers that they like, not what the market corners them into. As for it being a necessity, I can’t vouch for the rest of the world’s hardware availability, but you don’t browse the Internet with an Amiga due to ‘necessity.’ It is distinctly more difficult to get a ‘nettable Amiga than just about anything else out there. So make that a point towards “because you can.”

    Why should I buy a 2010 Mustang? Why even a 2008 Honda Civic? Do we need the newest equipment to do our thing? Whatever it might be?

    I happen to like the 1956 Thunderbird, guess that makes me an idiot.

    Why play that 1898 Stradavarius, when this new violin comes in different colors!

    And you’ll find there’s people out there running virtual Win 95 on Mac OSX just so they can load some of those “Internet Explorer only” sites. Or maybe they just like a smaller faster OS than, for instance, Windows Vista’s 15GB bloatware.

     
  37. Alex Taylor Says:
    November 1st, 2009 at 10:05 am

    It’s a shame that “Macintosh” has been lumped together in one category, I wonder if anyone’s using System 7 or upwards on old hardware.

    A couple of weeks ago, I set up a Macintosh IIci (1989 vintage) with a 50MHz DayStar accelerator card, plus a NuBus Ethernet card I bought off eBay. I’ve been using it for browsing the web using the excellent, under MacOS 7.5.5.

     
  38. Tom H Says:
    November 1st, 2009 at 8:49 pm

    My web stats (for a smallish website targetting a fairly elderly non-techy demographic) show almost no use of windows 95 *by humans* but quite a lot of spoofed windows 95 browsing by spam posting/email harvesting bots. I suspect that that accounts for much of PCPro’s stats.

     
  39. Roger W Says:
    November 4th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    This is a fascinating thread! Most of the contributors here will be expert users but I suspect that a few technophobes out there (and a few skinflints!)would see no reason to move on from Win 95. I encountered two PCs last year that were seriously old – one was running 98 on a Gigabyte board plus AMD K6-3 450cpu with 256Mb PC100 RAM in. Another still running Win 95 B was found but this had been retained because its owner claimed the CAD software he used for business (marine draughtsman)didn’t work with XP. A peek at the machine was like a trip down memory lane: remember all those times you ended up going round in ever decreasing circles when some new item of hardware just wouldn’t install? There’s probably a good bit of truth that some machines detected will be spam/address harvesting bots but what worries me is that folk running such antiquated hardware are unlikely to be protected adequately, as the baseline spec for many security products (like Kaspersky)does not support any o/s older than XP.

     
  40. mark Says:
    February 21st, 2010 at 7:08 pm

    you should see what my c64 can do never mind amiga :) use for web.

     
  41. AMC258 Says:
    March 30th, 2010 at 2:44 am

    I use an Amiga, because I switched over from PC’s when I finally realised I’d have to get Windows 95 to make my PC useful, back in 1996. I haven’t gone back since. If my Amiga can’t do it, I don’t need to do it. My latest Amiga, since 1998, which I am typing this with, is a Commodore-Amiga A3000UX, circa 1989. It sports a 200MHz PowerPC 604e, and runs AmigaOS4.0 “Classic”. I am using OWB (a WebKit browser), which actually seems to render better than IE and Opera, which I use at work.

    I wonder how many others are using Amigas here and their user-agent shows up as something else, just because they set IBrowse to spoof as something else and never thought to change it back. It’s easy to not think about that. And, it’s required for a lot of sites.

     
  42. AmigaMan Says:
    May 26th, 2010 at 10:37 am

    Why use the Amiga .Amiga is the best by far -true 64bit -true 48bit graphics ineach cahnneln of superior rgb and e -that alone is why we use amiga
    secondly, your stuff couldnt read our webbrowsers as amigas and calls them 95 or 3.11 half the time anyhow-remeber you ur self had said you ahent seen the 95 machince in years
    and yes linux kicks win 7s arse so it will kick win 95 arse

     
  43. Varthall Says:
    June 15th, 2010 at 4:40 pm

    Speaking of Amiga browsers, the first alpha release of the Firefox port for Amiga has been released, the ported browser is called Timberwolf: http://www.osnews.com/story/23431/Firefox_on_Amiga_Timberwolf_Goes_Alpha

     
  44. fsckit Says:
    July 4th, 2010 at 12:42 pm

    Not all Amigas are from Commodore. I suspect MorphOS and AROS will report as Amigas as well as AmigaOS4.

     

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