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Posted on October 6th, 2009 by Simon Brock

Outsourcing a telephone service

46936_8857This year we outsourced our email service. We threw out our  internal mail servers (based on Postfix, Cyrus IMAP and MailScanner) and moved to Google Apps Premier. It has all worked very well and I am very happy with the decision — well worth the £33 per user per year.

What I want to do next year is get rid of the telephone exchange in my office. When we moved into our office we inherited a Panasonic switch and a collection of their feature phones. It hangs off a couple of ISDN-2 lines and works but costs more than it is worth. I feel that if in the 21st century I can out source my 20th century communication system I should be able to outsource my 19th century communication system as well.

The three big problems I have with having an exchange in my office:

  1. It is in my office which means that if I want to work from home/someone else’s office/the pub we have to perform all sorts of telephonic knitting to get calls to me. With VoIP I shouldn’t need to do this.
  2. It is in my office which means if a disaster befalls my office, I don’t have a phone system. More importantly, I want a disaster recovery plan which allows me to say something better than ‘call our mobile phones’.
  3. Why do I want a phone system in my office?

Now before you say Asterisk and 3cx, I know about those but they don’t really help me with all the points  above – I don’t really want to own and maintain a phone system. I could put an Asterisk system in our racks and pipe in phone calls but then I will have to look after it. If it goes wrong while I am on holiday then I have to persuade someone else to look at it.

Interestingly BT come close with their hosted VoIP service which costs £5 per month plus phones at £68 each. My problem with this service is that you have to use their phones — you can’t use a soft phone for example — and it does not seem to be as flexible as I would like.

Obviously I have typed the appropriate keywords into Google and have seen there are other services but what I want to know is does anyone out their use these services? If so please comment on this blog and let us all know or if you want to send me an email with your comments on send it to pcpro.blog (a) widearea.co.uk and I will summarise and make anonymous as appropriate.

Thanks for the help!

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18 Responses to “ Outsourcing a telephone service ”

  1. Justin Says:
    October 6th, 2009 at 7:05 pm

    I work at a government facility and there is a group that has a remote administered Avaya system. I would check Avaya out, they have both VoIP and standard analog based systems with many features.

     
  2. Steve Cassidy Says:
    October 6th, 2009 at 8:05 pm

    Avaya are for MASSIVE operations… why not browse through the immense range of stuff at http://www.sipgate.co.uk, or even have a hack around with the vast mass of SIP kit out there?

    Oh, and do not assume that because SIP is a computer mediated delivery system, you can expect computer quality levels of service from service providers.

    And before I forget – it sounds like you don’t have many lines or phones: why don’ tyou give our old mate Mickey a call at http://www.draytel.org?

     
  3. Justin Says:
    October 6th, 2009 at 9:25 pm

    Steve,
    Not true about Avaya being for only massive operations. The department I was referring to has ~30-40 users. Yes Avaya does a lot of huge businesses, but they also have products for Small Businesses with less than 250 people. I’m not affiliated with Avaya at all, I just see people with the system and they seem to like it.

     
  4. Rob_S Says:
    October 6th, 2009 at 11:35 pm

    We too outsourced our email to Google Apps Premiere, and we also outsourced our phone system to Voipfone in 2007. After a slightly shaky start, it is now fantastic, with not one outage this year; we have 12 extensions – 9 in our main office and 3 in remote offices, and all all works perfectly. There are no problems with 4 or 5 simultaneous calls even on our 2mb broadband (though we do get 1mb upload, which helps!). All for £1 per line per month, plus £80 Snom phones per person.

     
  5. Gavin Moorhouse Says:
    October 7th, 2009 at 7:11 am

    I’ve also made the switch to VOIP over the last couple of weeks for my business. I went for sipgate as my provider. I simply bought one of their converter boxes for around £50 which meant I could use my existing phones (I like them!). I then signed up to their 1000 minutes for £6 a month package and I’m all done! Callers haven’t noticed I’ve switched at all, which is great. Now when I move the business into our new premises later this month, I just take my converter box with me and that’s it!

    If you want more details, give me a shout.

     
  6. James Turner Says:
    October 7th, 2009 at 7:55 am

    I agree with Steve. I have been a sipgate user for some time. These type of systems are very flexible to the point where I can start to use my landline number and phone as a mobile device wthout call forwarding. The other great point I love about it is that unlike BT, voip providers have not sold your number to every Indian call centre. I also run the 3cx phone system, that too seems a great piece of software and the free version seems enough for small office use. as for Avaya, I had three of their phone systems and a s soon as we wanted to use VOIP with it they wanted stupid amounts of money for the licenses and it wasn’t as if their voip worked with other providers at the time.

     
  7. Chris Says:
    October 7th, 2009 at 9:34 am

    When you change from dedicated lines to VoIP, it is important to consider how resilient your internet connection is – if this has problems then you won’t have phones either. There are many causes of internet loss – DNS problems, diggers cutting cables under the roads, etc. Consider getting both an ADSL and Cable internet connection, then use a true enterprise level muilt-WAN router like those from Peplink which have a great reputation (I saw that the Peplink 310 was reviewed on this website). When all connections are available, you get faster internet by aggregating the connections, If one fails, the device will route all traffic over the other connection and your calls can continue. You can use Quality of Service settings to give the phone system priority over internet browsing and other traffic.

     
  8. Steve Cassidy Says:
    October 7th, 2009 at 10:56 am

    Very fair point about dependency on other layers of the internet traffic model Chris; but doesn’t Peplink and the other traffic-aggregating routers place a bit of an obligation on the service providers too? Several SIP systems I’ve seen want to know very clearly what IP address your endpoint is on…

     
  9. Paul Ockenden Says:
    October 7th, 2009 at 2:19 pm

    Players to look at in the SME marketplace include Gradwell and VOIPfone. Haven’t used SIPgate for a while, but they used to have a bad rep for fault recovery (system goes down Friday 5pm, doesn’t get fixed until Monday 9am). But they may have improved since then. I always felt they were better suited to techie home users (people a bit too grown-up for Skype).

    If I was in Simon’s position I’d be speaking to Gradwell and VOIPfone.

    Oh, and one of the key factors is porting your existing BT or C&W numbers into the new system – not all providers cope well with that, but renumbering is a sure fire way to lose business.

     
  10. Sean Taylor Says:
    October 7th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    The company I work for, Content Guru, has worked with Cable&Wireless on a new hosted services solution called STORM. It’s works on a SaaS model and includes IP Centrex (e.g. all the standard features on a PBX with a number of other useful add ons such as call recording, conferencing and Unified Comms (such as SMS integration)).
    You’re welcome to give it a try if you’re interested.

     
  11. David W Says:
    October 7th, 2009 at 6:14 pm

    Ah, the wonders of a properly implemented ISDN system, not the BT bastardisation of the standards.

    I have ISDN at home – you needed it to get a DSL connection when I moved over here – and at work.

    When moving around the office, I can redirect internally, but when I leave the house or I am out of the office, I just call up the redirect function on the telephone base station and enter my mobile number and that’s it. When somebody calls my office or house number, it can either ring there AND my mobile, or just on my mobile.

    Getting BT to fix the ISDN to offer its default features would be a good start! ;-)

     
  12. Steve Cassidy Says:
    October 8th, 2009 at 10:11 am

    David David, David… to make a comment like that stick you need to tell people where you are! My guess is, it’s not the UK.

     
  13. MadaboutDana Says:
    October 8th, 2009 at 10:30 am

    For a small operation it would be sensible to look at the Business options offered by Skype, which seem to me to provide an impressive level of flexibility. We’ve been experimenting with bundled numbers, and they work rather well. You can be running your office from the US and come across – very convincingly – as being based in the UK. What’s more, there’s a huge range of Skype phone options, ranging from 3’s various Skype offerings to more sophisticated systems from Philips etc. Not to mention Skype apps for most mobile platforms. We’re seriously considering Skype for our next big telecoms convergence moment!

     
  14. Nick Says:
    October 8th, 2009 at 1:13 pm

    Can’t consider Skype as a realistic option personally. The sudden ducking of Skype out numbers was infuriating.

    Personally I use a VM of 3cx and Sipgate for external calls. It works very well and didn’t need a huge new server or (initially while we tried it) spending any money!

     
  15. David Wright Says:
    October 8th, 2009 at 1:33 pm

    Steve, you guessed right. I live in Germany.

     
  16. Steve Cassidy Says:
    October 9th, 2009 at 10:37 am

    Mmm, DTAG. If it’s not forbidden, it’s compulsory!

     
  17. Chris Says:
    October 12th, 2009 at 3:12 pm

    I would be careful and reconsider why you really want to do this. The main driver for most people is call costs especially where you have multiple locations. If you are just looking to say a few quid on normal calls it doesn’t usually cost in. Our experience of “cheap” implementations like SIPgate/Skype and off the shelf VoIP handets is not good in terms of call quality and reliability. If you do go down this route consider a dedicated internet connection for VoIP with a router that can separate voice from internet/e-mail traffic.

    If you want flexibility look at an FMC solution from the likes of C&W, they stick a Pico Cell in your office and you just use your mobile.

    If you want an all singing, all dancing solution check out Mitel. You still need a box your office but they can support SIP and ISDN trunks so you have the best of both worlds and future migration options covered. They also support mobile extention, remote working eg a Mitel Phone at home via your router. If you need it they can do unified messaging and integration with CRM/ERP applications.

     
  18. David Thompson Says:
    October 15th, 2009 at 7:41 am

    Hi,
    Nice work, thanks for such information, which will help beginners in future.

     

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