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Posted on September 7th, 2009 by Barry Collins

Is Firefox turning into the ultimate nagware?

NaggingFirefox, it must be said, is beginning to get on my Bristols. Like a death by a thousand cuts, the accumulation of minor irritations is pushing me desperately close to permanently decamping to Google Chrome.

From the irritating freeze that seems to temporarily paralyse the address bar about 30 seconds after it has first booted, to the mystery disappearance of the close button when you’ve got nine or more tabs open, to the clumsy implementation of the new Private Browsing mode, to the way the browser refuses to reboot for about 30 seconds after it (increasingly frequently) crashes… Firefox is heading for a fall.

Fortunately for Firefox, Chrome still hasn’t got the one thing that keeps me rooted to the Mozilla browser for the time being: extensions. GMail Manager, Scrapbook, XMarks and TwitterFox are all that stand between me and a seedy tryst with Google Chrome.

However, it’s those very same extensions that are partially to blame for my number one Firefox frustration: the constant nagging. Barely a morning passes when I don’t boot Firefox to find that one or more of my extensions requires an update – not to mention the browser itself. Ignoring them simply delays the pain for another day; installing them normally means a wait of at least 30-60 seconds whilst the browser sorts itself out. The end result is an (arguably) needless delay to my working day.

Now Mozilla plans to nag me even more. The organisation has announced that it plans to start reminding users to upgrade outdated plugins. It’s starting with Adobe Flash Player (another piece of software that would come dangerously close to my Room 101 shortlist), but plans to move on to other third-party plugins by the time Firefox 3.6 arrives. Terrific. Pretty soon, I’ll have to boot Firefox before I get in the shower every morning, just so that’s it’s ready to use by the time I want to sit down and start working.

I’m not blind to the benefits of keeping the browser and its various add-ons updated, not least for security reasons. Indeed, Mozilla even seems to be suggesting that these pesky outdated plugins are partly responsible for the browser crashes. But unless Mozilla finds a way to make these updates less intrusive, I’m going to be off to browser pastures new. And I might just nag you to join me.

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24 Responses to “ Is Firefox turning into the ultimate nagware? ”

  1. Steve Cassidy Says:
    September 7th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    Try having firefox on a number of machines that may not be turned on for 2-3 weeks, depending on test schedules and kit rotation. The background auto download of updates is a serious annoyance!

    (personally I prefer Safari 4 fractionally over Chrome, on the “do the least evil” basis – but then I have to keep reminding myself not to install iTunes & QT wherever I use it)

     
  2. Peter Tennant Says:
    September 7th, 2009 at 3:13 pm

    My personal bugbear is the long pause generated by the Foxit Reader plugin, somewhat defeating the main benefit of Foxit over Acrobat…

     
  3. Peter Tennant Says:
    September 7th, 2009 at 3:16 pm

    @Steve Cassidy

    I’m confused, when did Apple become less evil than Google? I thought they were both equal-servants to the dark lord of consumerism?

     
  4. Mark Lewis Says:
    September 7th, 2009 at 3:48 pm

    If you really can’t live with the automatic checking for updates then you can simply switch it off at ‘Tools > Options… > Advanced > Update’.

     
  5. Simon Says:
    September 7th, 2009 at 4:37 pm

    WellI also got fed up with the browser and switched, I still use it over Safari on my mac, (for some reason the mac version never crashes), however on my PC I reverted to IE8 for which Foxmarks is now avalible.

    I wasn’t sure about switching to IE, I mean it always gets the worst reviews and I am a web designer, but I just couldn’t put up with Firefox constantly crashing on the PC. It was time to switch.

    Also IE isn’t really that bad, it’s not perfect but it’s simple and it works.

     
  6. stokegabriel Says:
    September 7th, 2009 at 4:42 pm

    I suggest that you get someone competent to look at your PC, and take the time to familiarise yourself with the software. I have none of the issues that you mentioned and I would want to be informed if an add on was out of date or a newer version of FF was available, but if you don’t want that then turn it off. I have a feeling the only problem here is operator error. I don’t get any of the “hangs” that you mention and my close button doesn’t disappear ever.

     
  7. Paul B Says:
    September 7th, 2009 at 4:48 pm

    I run about eight third party add-ons, and haven’t been bothered by much nagging about upgrades. I think it comes down to what add-ons you’ve installed.

    Also, Firefox on OS X has been 100% stable in the time I’ve been using it. Just my personal experience though. I wouldn’t mind if I was forced to use any of the main browsers – they’re all pretty good (which proves that the competition has been good).

     
  8. Andy J Says:
    September 7th, 2009 at 4:59 pm

    I would strongly advise that you disable your add-ons and see how things go from there. That normally cures things, and then you can add them back in one at a time until you find the culprit.

    Failing that a full uninstall, and clean up, then reinstall should sort it out. V rarely have I had issues, but the above method has always sorted it out for me.

     
  9. Richard Says:
    September 7th, 2009 at 7:02 pm

    Looks like Mozilla are taking Firefox down that well trodden road to bloatware hell. Me thinks the halo is starting to slip a little in the face of some strong competition. Damn it, even IE in its latest incarnation is a good browser, stable and fast and easy to use – so a lot of users will stay with it, or dare I say, go back to it!!

     
  10. Richard Alberg Says:
    September 7th, 2009 at 11:10 pm

    I agree, FF has started to become annoying but I still prefer it to any other browser as it as Firebug, developer toolbar, and various other nice add-ons.

     
  11. george bush Says:
    September 8th, 2009 at 2:56 am

    Stop whining and fix, you must have something better to write about than a spurious piece of nonsense. It seems like your angry with yourself for not being bothered to sort it out so I’m with operator error. I have very few issues, I get the odd freeze every now and again and more so at work on a pc I have no permissions for.

     
  12. James Says:
    September 8th, 2009 at 6:11 am

    This is the very reason I do not use Firefox and in fact prefer IE over this and Chrome over both. It is not about fixing firefox. Maybe it can be fixed. I care not. I shouldn’t have to spend time figuring that out. Chrome has worked nearly flawlessly for me since day one.

     
  13. David Wright Says:
    September 8th, 2009 at 6:19 am

    I can’t say I’ve experienced much nagging or pausing – NoScript went through a phase of daily updates, but apart from that it has been fairly quiet.

    I quite like Safari, on my Mac (it causes the whole system to pause under Windows), but I don’t really get on with Chrome on the PC, the layout with the tabs IN the title bar is just wrong and breaks all the UI guidelines for Windows, Linux and OS X… :-S

    I’d consider swapping, if the tabs dropped back down onto the tab bar AND NoScript and FlashBlock were available for Chrome or Safari.

     
  14. dark hared lord Says:
    September 8th, 2009 at 8:56 am

    I’ve been using FF for a number of years, however, I too am becoming concerned with the bloatyness. My biggest bug bear is the time it takes to load up under windows. It’s really quick on my linux box but on XP? time to put the kettle on! if Chrome (or even better, SRWare Iron) had adblockplus i’d swap in a flash. mind you last time I tried chrome on my work machine it buggered.

     
  15. Tom Says:
    September 8th, 2009 at 9:08 am

    You might like to try the ‘Vacuum places’ addon to speed things up:

    https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/13824

    soon to be in Firefox core apparently – more details on what the command does here:

    http://mozillalinks.org/wp/2009/08/vacuum-firefox-databases-for-better-performance-now-with-no-restart/

     
  16. Mark Says:
    September 8th, 2009 at 12:55 pm

    Definitely a user error! I have been using Firefox for several years, and as a developer I’m using it pretty much all day 5 days a week and I can honestly say I’ve never had none of the problems raised. To the author of this dodgy article I can only suggest you’ve got some badly implemented add-ins spoiling your Firefox experience.

     
  17. hjlupton Says:
    September 8th, 2009 at 7:14 pm

    It’s one of the many reasons I switched to Safari and never looked back. Overall I think Safari is a much better user experience, both on the mac and in windows :)

     
  18. stokegabriel Says:
    September 9th, 2009 at 9:35 pm

    My previous post may have been doing Barry a bit of an injustice, as of course he may be running Vista (forgot about that) and as we all know Vista is a thorn in the backside of humanity.

     
  19. Gavin Bollard Says:
    September 10th, 2009 at 4:37 am

    I had a critical look at my add-ons and found that there was only one that I couldn’t live without (Sharaholic).

    Then I found a way of doing it in Chrome.

    I’ve been switched over on Chrome for about four months now and I’m no longer missing any of the add-ons.

    It’s what you get used to.

     
  20. Alperian Says:
    September 10th, 2009 at 10:03 am

    Any fears of chronic obesity in our cuddly friend Firefox can be sweetly put to bed: If you want the real Vanessa Feltz of browsers, then start up IE8 and watch the line on your work-flow chart plummet. If you want a fast reliable FF then stop feeding it puddings (twitterfox personages). I agree with some above: not enough to moan about these days.

     
  21. JoninCenTx Says:
    September 10th, 2009 at 10:49 am

    What impatient, foolish complaints. I’m referring the bitching re: delays of a 1, 2 or 3 seconds. I can’t believe you notice. You must have a lot of nothing to do to be so aware of a trivial amount of time.
    Seriously when your busy 3 seconds is like 3 nanoseconds.
    Oh and I do agree with Firefox 3.5 Mozilla has gone off the deep end, and it’s fixes are mucking up the browser, so I regressed to 3.01 and all the problems disappeared. The obsession with obscure security holes is driving this constant security update nonsense as far as I’m concerned. In all the years of using Firefox I have yet to experience one bit of malware from these supposed hidden mines of software evil.

     
  22. Anteaus Says:
    September 11th, 2009 at 7:06 am

    Take a look at Seamonkey.

    http://www.seamonkey-project.org/

    Just install the browser component, and you’ve got an up-to-date Firefox minus the gimmicky stuff. Plus, it has a lot more config options than FF.

     
  23. David Riley Says:
    September 11th, 2009 at 1:07 pm

    Barry stop being a little bitch. ~12 addons is too many, what do you expect to happen? Turn off automatic updates or whatever. This isn’t news or podcast worthy and is a non issue when you consider some other browsers don’t even have the addons in the first place. Jesus man.

     
  24. Brian Eager Says:
    September 14th, 2009 at 10:19 am

    Well keep on bitching chaps …i’ve learnt more in 45 seconds then elsewhere to date…..
    I quite like the new IE8 but haven’t tried any of the alternatives above – so the Sea Monkey thing seems like the first port of call….thanks everyone for your time…tome there is nothing worse than waiting for something to happen. QS big Brian

     

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