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]]> By: Max Zeus http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/08/25/why-you-could-lose-your-broadband-connection-for-doing-absolutely-nothing-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-103534 Max Zeus Fri, 28 Aug 2009 12:51:14 +0000 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/?p=6931#comment-103534 It isn't like stealing a car! Of course it isn't! Anyone spouting THAT argument should take a moment to consider... If filesharing is stealing, why isn't reading a magazine in a dentist's waiting room? It's putting a file(magazine) in a public environment(waiting room), where anyone can study it at their leasure thus denying the magazine a potential sale. A friend lends me a book - I'm stealing and he's denying the publisher a potential sale. At a friend's house, I choose a CD and put it on her player. That's stealing - I haven't turned any money over to the publisher, yet I'm listening to their product on-demand. It isn’t like stealing a car! Of course it isn’t! Anyone spouting THAT argument should take a moment to consider…

If filesharing is stealing, why isn’t reading a magazine in a dentist’s waiting room? It’s putting a file(magazine) in a public environment(waiting room), where anyone can study it at their leasure thus denying the magazine a potential sale.

A friend lends me a book – I’m stealing and he’s denying the publisher a potential sale.

At a friend’s house, I choose a CD and put it on her player. That’s stealing – I haven’t turned any money over to the publisher, yet I’m listening to their product on-demand.

]]> By: David http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/08/25/why-you-could-lose-your-broadband-connection-for-doing-absolutely-nothing-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-103522 David Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:33:05 +0000 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/?p=6931#comment-103522 The problem with the music and film companies is that they are too busy telling (or trying to convince) us what we want, rather than actually trying to give us what we want. They hype a big budget movie massively to get every man and his dog to pay to watch it, knowing it is terrible. Those people eventually get to the point where they feel they are being robbed and use alternative methods like downloading. Now BlueRay has come along, DVDs are cheaper. However, how about offering cheaper versions of Blue Rays/DVDs with no extras included - just the movie and maybe even an avi for use on portable players? The problem is that hardly anyone would buy the versions with the extras, so the movie studios won't do it. Instead they just tell us that part of the reason we want to buy is for the extras. Why do people download tv shows from America? Well, most of the time we never know if/when it will be on in the UK (and then miss it because it is on some random channel they rarely watch). Sometimes it is actually available within a few days of airing, but is never actually on at the same time each week (as is currently happening with Entourage on ITV2). There is so much that could be done to draw people away from downloading (other than fining/banning), but it is clear that the music/film/tv industry won't take that route. The fining/banning method is better as far as they are concerned. The problem with the music and film companies is that they are too busy telling (or trying to convince) us what we want, rather than actually trying to give us what we want. They hype a big budget movie massively to get every man and his dog to pay to watch it, knowing it is terrible. Those people eventually get to the point where they feel they are being robbed and use alternative methods like downloading.

Now BlueRay has come along, DVDs are cheaper. However, how about offering cheaper versions of Blue Rays/DVDs with no extras included – just the movie and maybe even an avi for use on portable players? The problem is that hardly anyone would buy the versions with the extras, so the movie studios won’t do it. Instead they just tell us that part of the reason we want to buy is for the extras.

Why do people download tv shows from America? Well, most of the time we never know if/when it will be on in the UK (and then miss it because it is on some random channel they rarely watch). Sometimes it is actually available within a few days of airing, but is never actually on at the same time each week (as is currently happening with Entourage on ITV2).

There is so much that could be done to draw people away from downloading (other than fining/banning), but it is clear that the music/film/tv industry won’t take that route. The fining/banning method is better as far as they are concerned.

]]> By: Charles Marsh http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/08/25/why-you-could-lose-your-broadband-connection-for-doing-absolutely-nothing-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-103447 Charles Marsh Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:12:07 +0000 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/?p=6931#comment-103447 We’ve become accustomed to a shifted burden of proof through the use of Anti-Social Behaviour Orders and other similar Orders. In the case of Anti-Social Behaviour Orders, the Crime and Disorder Act has the word ‘proved’, unqualified. It was left to the Law Lords to decide that this is to an enhanced civil standard.   I can imagine some top politician viewing file-sharing as anti-social, and thinking the ‘Internet ASBO’ is the answer. Although, file-sharing isn’t anti-social. It’s the exact opposite. It’s the same sharing that the compact audio and VHS cassettes allowed. Those were limited to your circle of friends and family. Now, in the same way the Internet allows any two people with computer and webcam to have a face-to-face chat, you can share with the whole world.   Steve Cassidy wrote, “I am in favour of criminalisation of sharing ‘stuff’.” The idea that file-sharing should be criminalised is bizarre. Non-commercial copyright infringement is already a crime, when it’s done on a scale that causes significant harm to the rights holder. If there are a few people doing a lot, it’s feasible to attempt to collect evidence up to the criminal standard. We’ve seen this in cases such as OiNK and DVDR-Core. But, with file-sharing in general, we have many people each doing a little. Would it be acceptable to have the police raid tens of thousands of homes up and down the country that rights holders have accused of being the worst for file-sharing, with all computer-related equipment being taken away for forensic examination, in the hope of pinning it on individuals?   With millions of CCTV cameras and millions of police stops, I think we have enough intrusion in our everyday lives. We don’t need large numbers of homes being raided. We’ve become accustomed to a shifted burden of proof through the use of Anti-Social Behaviour Orders and other similar Orders. In the case of Anti-Social Behaviour Orders, the Crime and Disorder Act has the word ‘proved’, unqualified. It was left to the Law Lords to decide that this is to an enhanced civil standard.
 
I can imagine some top politician viewing file-sharing as anti-social, and thinking the ‘Internet ASBO’ is the answer. Although, file-sharing isn’t anti-social. It’s the exact opposite. It’s the same sharing that the compact audio and VHS cassettes allowed. Those were limited to your circle of friends and family. Now, in the same way the Internet allows any two people with computer and webcam to have a face-to-face chat, you can share with the whole world.
 
Steve Cassidy wrote, “I am in favour of criminalisation of sharing ‘stuff’.” The idea that file-sharing should be criminalised is bizarre. Non-commercial copyright infringement is already a crime, when it’s done on a scale that causes significant harm to the rights holder. If there are a few people doing a lot, it’s feasible to attempt to collect evidence up to the criminal standard. We’ve seen this in cases such as OiNK and DVDR-Core. But, with file-sharing in general, we have many people each doing a little. Would it be acceptable to have the police raid tens of thousands of homes up and down the country that rights holders have accused of being the worst for file-sharing, with all computer-related equipment being taken away for forensic examination, in the hope of pinning it on individuals?
 
With millions of CCTV cameras and millions of police stops, I think we have enough intrusion in our everyday lives. We don’t need large numbers of homes being raided.

]]> By: Steve Cassidy http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/08/25/why-you-could-lose-your-broadband-connection-for-doing-absolutely-nothing-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-103444 Steve Cassidy Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:05:49 +0000 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/?p=6931#comment-103444 it's the same as income tax, John. The more evade it, the more those honest enough to pay, get charged. The more who buy music legitimately (and buying retail is no longer the only option), the less the prices can be. However: it's not just about music. Theft of "intangibles" is endemic, because people think the logic of fighting the "cartel" carries over to people who are nothing to do with the cartel at all. We had a maerry flamewar here at Christmas, because the St*rg*te *tlantis fanclub disliked what Stuart had to say after he discovered that the series had been downloaded by more people than saw it via a TV channel. Many fan-boys (and girls) could not see that after 3.5 million of them downloaded it, the people they were fans of simply couldn't continue to make enough money to keep the series alive. It *is* damaging and it *does* disadvantage the very people the fans say they support. As a society: I'd say the obsession with entertainment as a delivery is a problem, as is the way that peer-to-peer sharing has a lot in common with the social structures of drug dealing. Combating either of those impulses isn't trivial. it’s the same as income tax, John. The more evade it, the more those honest enough to pay, get charged. The more who buy music legitimately (and buying retail is no longer the only option), the less the prices can be.

However: it’s not just about music. Theft of “intangibles” is endemic, because people think the logic of fighting the “cartel” carries over to people who are nothing to do with the cartel at all.

We had a maerry flamewar here at Christmas, because the St*rg*te *tlantis fanclub disliked what Stuart had to say after he discovered that the series had been downloaded by more people than saw it via a TV channel. Many fan-boys (and girls) could not see that after 3.5 million of them downloaded it, the people they were fans of simply couldn’t continue to make enough money to keep the series alive. It *is* damaging and it *does* disadvantage the very people the fans say they support.

As a society: I’d say the obsession with entertainment as a delivery is a problem, as is the way that peer-to-peer sharing has a lot in common with the social structures of drug dealing. Combating either of those impulses isn’t trivial.

]]> By: John http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/08/25/why-you-could-lose-your-broadband-connection-for-doing-absolutely-nothing-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-103381 John Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:21:42 +0000 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/?p=6931#comment-103381 Steve Cassidy - a Mercedes SLR is tangible so that is not a good comparison. Although I understand your point. If we accept a talented music artist can become wealthy with a successful album why is it wrong for the untalented who can not afford, to have a free copy of that artists work. Do not all genuine artists want to reach out to as wide an audience as possible or is it just about the money? If I walk into HMV and shoplift a CD that is theft. If I download a copy and burn it to a disc I have paid for is that theft? As far as I know it as a civil offence not a criminal offence. With my downloaded copy nobody as lost anything because I did not take anything tangible and had no intension of buying a real physical product - so who as lost what? My own personal view is a simple one. When you purchase original Music/Movie you pay for a real product that has value and quality. It is not a poor imitation that has missing content (movie) or poor audio quality (mp3). When you download copyrighted material the tradeoff is in my opinion huge. But it is free. So as a society what should we do - resent the fact that some people have not got whatever it takes to earn good money and whinge that while the rest of us (myself included) buy original copyright they make do with piss poor copies (that I would not be given) with half the content missing or makes a 15K HiFi (Yes mine) sound like a £50 ghetto blaster from Argos, but hell they got it for free. Most people who download are just about keeping their head above water financially. They don't have 2 or 3 holidays a year abroad. They don't drive a Merc or BMW. They don't walk round in a few hundred quids worth of clothes. They don't drop a couple of hundred quid in a restaurant. But thay may be walking around with a £35 mp3 player listening to a 4 year old Oasis album they downloaded off the 'tinternet'. So lets get some laws passed that terminates their internet contracts and bangs them up like the parasite criminals they are. Then we who can easily afford to buy our music and dvd's and can at the very least get a sound nights sleep. Steve Cassidy – a Mercedes SLR is tangible so that is not a good comparison. Although I understand your point.
If we accept a talented music artist can become wealthy with a successful album why is it wrong for the untalented who can not afford, to have a free copy of that artists work. Do not all genuine artists want to reach out to as wide an audience as possible or is it just about the money?
If I walk into HMV and shoplift a CD that is theft. If I download a copy and burn it to a disc I have paid for is that theft?
As far as I know it as a civil offence not a criminal offence.
With my downloaded copy nobody as lost anything because I did not take anything tangible and had no intension of buying a real physical product – so who as lost what?

My own personal view is a simple one. When you purchase original Music/Movie you pay for a real product that has value and quality. It is not a poor imitation that has missing content (movie) or poor audio quality (mp3).

When you download copyrighted material the tradeoff is in my opinion huge. But it is free.

So as a society what should we do – resent the fact that some people have not got whatever it takes to earn good money and whinge that while the rest of us (myself included) buy original copyright they make do with piss poor copies (that I would not be given) with half the content missing or makes a 15K HiFi (Yes mine) sound like a £50 ghetto blaster from Argos, but hell they got it for free.

Most people who download are just about keeping their head above water financially. They don’t have 2 or 3 holidays a year abroad. They don’t drive a Merc or BMW. They don’t walk round in a few hundred quids worth of clothes.
They don’t drop a couple of hundred quid in a restaurant.

But thay may be walking around with a £35 mp3 player listening to a 4 year old Oasis album they downloaded off the ‘tinternet’.
So lets get some laws passed that terminates their internet contracts and bangs them up like the parasite criminals they are.
Then we who can easily afford to buy our music and dvd’s and can at the very least get a sound nights sleep.

]]> By: Shawty http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/08/25/why-you-could-lose-your-broadband-connection-for-doing-absolutely-nothing-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-103363 Shawty Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:25:45 +0000 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/?p=6931#comment-103363 I'm urging everyone to stand up and make thier voice heard in my blog post at : http://cid-4515677bdf99b35f.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!4515677BDF99B35F!268.entry If you have your own blog, or web site I would encourage you to do so, then email the link to mike.klym@bis.gsi.gov.uk along with your objections and reasoning. I’m urging everyone to stand up and make thier voice heard in my blog post at : http://cid-4515677bdf99b35f.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!4515677BDF99B35F!268.entry

If you have your own blog, or web site I would encourage you to do so, then email the link to

mike.klym@bis.gsi.gov.uk

along with your objections and reasoning.

]]> By: thancock http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/08/25/why-you-could-lose-your-broadband-connection-for-doing-absolutely-nothing-wrong/comment-page-1/#comment-103360 thancock Thu, 27 Aug 2009 14:22:51 +0000 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/?p=6931#comment-103360 @steve cassidy ".. the right response to being teased by shallow materialism .." but it isn't shallow at all. It is deep psychoilogical brain-washing that is at play here, creating the must have the latest feel good sounds/movies endorsed by celebrities. These guys spend millions on learning how to "persuade" us to buy their crud; why should anyone be exempt from it? Why do you think ads are banned. We're gullible. And SLRs get nicked as a result. @steve cassidy
“.. the right response to being teased by shallow materialism ..” but it isn’t shallow at all. It is deep psychoilogical brain-washing that is at play here, creating the must have the latest feel good sounds/movies endorsed by celebrities. These guys spend millions on learning how to “persuade” us to buy their crud; why should anyone be exempt from it? Why do you think ads are banned. We’re gullible. And SLRs get nicked as a result.

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