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		<title>By: Tom Arah</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/08/06/cms-and-css-problem-solved/comment-page-1/#comment-100762</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Arah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 09:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes a massive improvement isn&#039;t it? Wish I could claim the credit but I just write for the site. I think the main man involved is Barry Collins http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/author/barry-collins</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes a massive improvement isn&#8217;t it? Wish I could claim the credit but I just write for the site. I think the main man involved is Barry Collins <a href="http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/author/barry-collins" rel="nofollow">http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/author/barry-collins</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/08/06/cms-and-css-problem-solved/comment-page-1/#comment-100747</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:41:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S. Beyond the world of PHP, Umbraco is a lovely Open Source .NET CMS (though personally I&#039;m a php WordPress man).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S. Beyond the world of PHP, Umbraco is a lovely Open Source .NET CMS (though personally I&#8217;m a php WordPress man).</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/08/06/cms-and-css-problem-solved/comment-page-1/#comment-100744</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Aug 2009 08:36:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regardless of the CMS, I like the new layout of the PCPro website - it is much easier to navigate and see what&#039;s new. Good work!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regardless of the CMS, I like the new layout of the PCPro website &#8211; it is much easier to navigate and see what&#8217;s new. Good work!</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Hardwick</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/08/06/cms-and-css-problem-solved/comment-page-1/#comment-100531</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph Hardwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 18:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Drupal is certainly capable of professional level websites but for large collaborative websites or enterprise level it&#039;s nowhere near. The workspace support is poor and so is the workflow support. It also lacks several authentication methods that are useful at enterprise level (Kerberos and Samba spring to mind). 

If you are comfortable using Drupal I&#039;d suggest trying out Typo3. When I audited the two systems (as well as Joomla) I found that Typo3 is much easier to configure as it provides a lot more programming hooks. The learning curve is much steeper than Drupal though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Drupal is certainly capable of professional level websites but for large collaborative websites or enterprise level it&#8217;s nowhere near. The workspace support is poor and so is the workflow support. It also lacks several authentication methods that are useful at enterprise level (Kerberos and Samba spring to mind). </p>
<p>If you are comfortable using Drupal I&#8217;d suggest trying out Typo3. When I audited the two systems (as well as Joomla) I found that Typo3 is much easier to configure as it provides a lot more programming hooks. The learning curve is much steeper than Drupal though.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Arah</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/08/06/cms-and-css-problem-solved/comment-page-1/#comment-100510</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Arah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 16:19:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s true that that&#039;s a major appeal especially to the traditional static page-based designer and largely explains their popularity. 

However I&#039;d argue that Drupal in particular is also designed with true scalability and the programmer&#039;s needs to the fore. And precisely because of this mix of power and popularity it can offer an unbeatable pool of modules - http://drupal.org/project/modules - either ready-to-use for the designer or fully customisable by the programmer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s true that that&#8217;s a major appeal especially to the traditional static page-based designer and largely explains their popularity. </p>
<p>However I&#8217;d argue that Drupal in particular is also designed with true scalability and the programmer&#8217;s needs to the fore. And precisely because of this mix of power and popularity it can offer an unbeatable pool of modules &#8211; <a href="http://drupal.org/project/modules" rel="nofollow">http://drupal.org/project/modules</a> &#8211; either ready-to-use for the designer or fully customisable by the programmer.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Hardwick</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/08/06/cms-and-css-problem-solved/comment-page-1/#comment-100498</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph Hardwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 15:22:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, let&#039;s go with your definition of big 3. The fact still stands that it is only at one level that they are most popular products. Enterprise level has a completely different big three. Joomla, Drupal and Wordpress are so populat at prosumer level because they don&#039;t need to you have any programming skills to get a site up and working. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, let&#8217;s go with your definition of big 3. The fact still stands that it is only at one level that they are most popular products. Enterprise level has a completely different big three. Joomla, Drupal and Wordpress are so populat at prosumer level because they don&#8217;t need to you have any programming skills to get a site up and working. <img src='http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Tom Arah</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/08/06/cms-and-css-problem-solved/comment-page-1/#comment-100489</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Arah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 13:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I wouldn&#039;t claim to have coined the phrase or to be the first to talk about them as such (as a quick search confirms). 

And I&#039;d say that most people would use &quot;big&quot; in terms of market share / popularity rather than power (eg car manufacturers, technology companies, actors on a TV show etc).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I wouldn&#8217;t claim to have coined the phrase or to be the first to talk about them as such (as a quick search confirms). </p>
<p>And I&#8217;d say that most people would use &#8220;big&#8221; in terms of market share / popularity rather than power (eg car manufacturers, technology companies, actors on a TV show etc).</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Hardwick</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/08/06/cms-and-css-problem-solved/comment-page-1/#comment-100480</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph Hardwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 12:14:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point was that &quot;big three&quot; is the accepted vernacular for the most powerful (car manufacturers, technology companies, actors on a TV show etc). Drupal, Wordpress and Joomla are percieved by nobody I know in the industry as the big three (I have been a web developer since 1996). They are probably the best prosumer choices (and in a lot of cases professional choice), but it shouldn&#039;t be claimed that they are the best of their breed. There is far too much that they can&#039;t do or don&#039;t do well. Just because a product has good market penetration and is a household name doesn&#039;t mean it is actually any good. As far as I can see, &quot;the big three&quot; is just a term you are hoping to coin before anyone else does in the field of CMS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point was that &#8220;big three&#8221; is the accepted vernacular for the most powerful (car manufacturers, technology companies, actors on a TV show etc). Drupal, Wordpress and Joomla are percieved by nobody I know in the industry as the big three (I have been a web developer since 1996). They are probably the best prosumer choices (and in a lot of cases professional choice), but it shouldn&#8217;t be claimed that they are the best of their breed. There is far too much that they can&#8217;t do or don&#8217;t do well. Just because a product has good market penetration and is a household name doesn&#8217;t mean it is actually any good. As far as I can see, &#8220;the big three&#8221; is just a term you are hoping to coin before anyone else does in the field of CMS.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Arah</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/08/06/cms-and-css-problem-solved/comment-page-1/#comment-100468</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Arah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 11:51:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clearly there are other options and they might well suit your needs best. 

However you don&#039;t give any hard facts to doubt &quot;the big three&#039;s&quot; popularity or status (see the cms market share survey by water and stone based on parameters such as rate of adoption and brand strength which fully supports the received wisdom - &quot;executive summary: three leading brands emerge&quot; http://www.waterandstone.com/downloads/2008OpenSourceCMSMarketSurvey.pdf).

It&#039;s true this argument becomes self-fulfilling  - bloggers talk about the most popular products and so they become more popular - but that also becomes self-reinforcing. The biggest strength of an open-source cms is its community-provided modules (and support) so the bigger the community, the better the platform.

Drupal, Wordpress and Joomla might not be your big three but they are generally perceived as such and are getting bigger all the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clearly there are other options and they might well suit your needs best. </p>
<p>However you don&#8217;t give any hard facts to doubt &#8220;the big three&#8217;s&#8221; popularity or status (see the cms market share survey by water and stone based on parameters such as rate of adoption and brand strength which fully supports the received wisdom &#8211; &#8220;executive summary: three leading brands emerge&#8221; <a href="http://www.waterandstone.com/downloads/2008OpenSourceCMSMarketSurvey.pdf)" rel="nofollow">http://www.waterandstone.com/downloads/2008OpenSourceCMSMarketSurvey.pdf)</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s true this argument becomes self-fulfilling  &#8211; bloggers talk about the most popular products and so they become more popular &#8211; but that also becomes self-reinforcing. The biggest strength of an open-source cms is its community-provided modules (and support) so the bigger the community, the better the platform.</p>
<p>Drupal, Wordpress and Joomla might not be your big three but they are generally perceived as such and are getting bigger all the time.</p>
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		<title>By: Ralph Hardwick</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/08/06/cms-and-css-problem-solved/comment-page-1/#comment-100453</link>
		<dc:creator>Ralph Hardwick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:56:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is totally misleading and propagating misinformation to say that Drupal, Wordpress and Joomla are the big three CMS&#039;s. For one thing there are as many CMS packages as there are websites so there isn&#039;t really any loyalty to a particular CMS. You choose the one that is best for the job in hand.

If we presume though that there is a big 3 of CMS products then these three are not in it at all. Vignette, Typo3 and IBM Websphere are all vastly superior products on a technical basis. These are generally enterprise CMS packages, although I have deployed Typo3 on many smaller websites.

The three you have listed probably get the most press, therefore are most known, but that&#039;s  because they are bloggers buzzwords.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is totally misleading and propagating misinformation to say that Drupal, Wordpress and Joomla are the big three CMS&#8217;s. For one thing there are as many CMS packages as there are websites so there isn&#8217;t really any loyalty to a particular CMS. You choose the one that is best for the job in hand.</p>
<p>If we presume though that there is a big 3 of CMS products then these three are not in it at all. Vignette, Typo3 and IBM Websphere are all vastly superior products on a technical basis. These are generally enterprise CMS packages, although I have deployed Typo3 on many smaller websites.</p>
<p>The three you have listed probably get the most press, therefore are most known, but that&#8217;s  because they are bloggers buzzwords.</p>
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