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		<title>By: Cem</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/07/31/britains-scandalous-upload-speeds/comment-page-1/#comment-172114</link>
		<dc:creator>Cem</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jun 2010 17:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m a gamer, and I feel so let down by UK upload speeds. I&#039;ve looked around for high upload speeds but only to come across a max of 1.5 from Virgin. I&#039;m willing to pay more for my internet connections, but I curently dont because the upload speed stays (more or less) the same. I like to connect to people around the world &amp; interact with them, but poor UK upload speeds prevent me from doing so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a gamer, and I feel so let down by UK upload speeds. I&#8217;ve looked around for high upload speeds but only to come across a max of 1.5 from Virgin. I&#8217;m willing to pay more for my internet connections, but I curently dont because the upload speed stays (more or less) the same. I like to connect to people around the world &amp; interact with them, but poor UK upload speeds prevent me from doing so.</p>
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		<title>By: Peki</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/07/31/britains-scandalous-upload-speeds/comment-page-1/#comment-121417</link>
		<dc:creator>Peki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Dec 2009 08:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no technical obstacle on cable modem one 8Mhz wide channel for download one 8Mhz for upload bandwidth capability 40Mbit/s each. Only the cable modem companies cup your speeds accordingly by configuration file which modem uploads from ISP upon boot. Why? if you want symetrical speed you have to pay 40 to 50 time the price for leased line.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no technical obstacle on cable modem one 8Mhz wide channel for download one 8Mhz for upload bandwidth capability 40Mbit/s each. Only the cable modem companies cup your speeds accordingly by configuration file which modem uploads from ISP upon boot. Why? if you want symetrical speed you have to pay 40 to 50 time the price for leased line.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Gibbons</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/07/31/britains-scandalous-upload-speeds/comment-page-1/#comment-99934</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Gibbons</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You get what you pay for. I am with Pipex and get 11Mb/s down and 1Mb/s up for £19/month.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You get what you pay for. I am with Pipex and get 11Mb/s down and 1Mb/s up for £19/month.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.speedtest.net/result/534130968.png" rel="nofollow">http://www.speedtest.net/result/534130968.png</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bass-playing Chemist</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/07/31/britains-scandalous-upload-speeds/comment-page-1/#comment-99835</link>
		<dc:creator>Bass-playing Chemist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 13:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see why chucks of bandwidth can&#039;t be reassigned from download to upload to meet the demands placed on the connection at any instant. I remember reading about this somewhere (possibly PC Pro), but it seems to never have caught on. I thought it was called VDSL but very hight data rate DSL seems to have taken over that abbreviation.

Automatic reassignment may try too much to second guess the users requirements but I would have thought that manually flicking the upward:downward ratio to 1:1 for say video conferencing or to 9:1 for online back-up should be feasible. Another idea as an alternative to expensive SDSL for SOHOs and SMEs I remember reading about was to obtain two ADSL lines, one configured upload:download at 1:9 and the other at 9:1. I&#039;d have thought most business would have two phone lines, one for voice and the other for fax.

If anyone more technically savvy than me would like to jump in here, please do. I realise some of my points may have been mis-informed.

PS to SKGiven, Adblock Plus works a treat in firefox for blocking bandwidth choking ads. Can block flash content too, as can FlashBlock and Flash Killer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t see why chucks of bandwidth can&#8217;t be reassigned from download to upload to meet the demands placed on the connection at any instant. I remember reading about this somewhere (possibly PC Pro), but it seems to never have caught on. I thought it was called VDSL but very hight data rate DSL seems to have taken over that abbreviation.</p>
<p>Automatic reassignment may try too much to second guess the users requirements but I would have thought that manually flicking the upward:downward ratio to 1:1 for say video conferencing or to 9:1 for online back-up should be feasible. Another idea as an alternative to expensive SDSL for SOHOs and SMEs I remember reading about was to obtain two ADSL lines, one configured upload:download at 1:9 and the other at 9:1. I&#8217;d have thought most business would have two phone lines, one for voice and the other for fax.</p>
<p>If anyone more technically savvy than me would like to jump in here, please do. I realise some of my points may have been mis-informed.</p>
<p>PS to SKGiven, Adblock Plus works a treat in firefox for blocking bandwidth choking ads. Can block flash content too, as can FlashBlock and Flash Killer.</p>
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		<title>By: John Edgley</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/07/31/britains-scandalous-upload-speeds/comment-page-1/#comment-99805</link>
		<dc:creator>John Edgley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 11:44:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree with most of what&#039;s said here, though strangely deserves his/her tag for a most inconsistent and irrational (or perhaps I should say &quot;pseudo-rational&quot;) comment. It is only when a sufficiently large chunk of the populace starts jumping up and down shouting “something must be done - it’s terrible!” that government bodies and large corporations start to listen.

Furthermore, I don&#039;t want techno babble reasons and excuses - I simply want it to work, and there are plenty of people paid huge sums of money who, supposedly, understand all these issues and are paid to deal with them. 

That said, why they are bothering to even attempt to provide fantastic download speeds for &quot;the masses&quot; when &quot;the masses&quot; are, by and large, fairly happy with download speeds, is beyond my simple mind - surely priority should be given to improving upload speeds even if it has to be, to a limited extent, a trade off with increased download speed.

I am with Talk Talk, and have been very happy with them except for upload speed. I regularly have over 7Mbps for download, and used to get about UK average 0.43Mbps for upload until I was promised that I could double that if I upgraded. I did so immediately and am now enjoying...... 0.21- 0.25 mbps! Yes - they seem to have got their factor of two the wrong way round and several lengthy calls have so far failed to remedy the situation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree with most of what&#8217;s said here, though strangely deserves his/her tag for a most inconsistent and irrational (or perhaps I should say &#8220;pseudo-rational&#8221;) comment. It is only when a sufficiently large chunk of the populace starts jumping up and down shouting “something must be done &#8211; it’s terrible!” that government bodies and large corporations start to listen.</p>
<p>Furthermore, I don&#8217;t want techno babble reasons and excuses &#8211; I simply want it to work, and there are plenty of people paid huge sums of money who, supposedly, understand all these issues and are paid to deal with them. </p>
<p>That said, why they are bothering to even attempt to provide fantastic download speeds for &#8220;the masses&#8221; when &#8220;the masses&#8221; are, by and large, fairly happy with download speeds, is beyond my simple mind &#8211; surely priority should be given to improving upload speeds even if it has to be, to a limited extent, a trade off with increased download speed.</p>
<p>I am with Talk Talk, and have been very happy with them except for upload speed. I regularly have over 7Mbps for download, and used to get about UK average 0.43Mbps for upload until I was promised that I could double that if I upgraded. I did so immediately and am now enjoying&#8230;&#8230; 0.21- 0.25 mbps! Yes &#8211; they seem to have got their factor of two the wrong way round and several lengthy calls have so far failed to remedy the situation.</p>
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		<title>By: fluff_mechanic</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/07/31/britains-scandalous-upload-speeds/comment-page-1/#comment-99769</link>
		<dc:creator>fluff_mechanic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 10:20:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There are many versions of ADSL available to consumers, especially since the advent of ADSL2.  If you have a requirement for higher upload bandwidth then ADSL2+M is a natural choice.  This variety &quot;pinches&quot; some of the download bandwidth in order to create a more symetric service.  Costs are no different to a standard ADSL line and in some cases, cheaper.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are many versions of ADSL available to consumers, especially since the advent of ADSL2.  If you have a requirement for higher upload bandwidth then ADSL2+M is a natural choice.  This variety &#8220;pinches&#8221; some of the download bandwidth in order to create a more symetric service.  Costs are no different to a standard ADSL line and in some cases, cheaper.</p>
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		<title>By: SKGiven</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/07/31/britains-scandalous-upload-speeds/comment-page-1/#comment-99739</link>
		<dc:creator>SKGiven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I use remote desktops a lot. One of the main problems I have is that as soon as I open a web page (for an update for example), MSN, Virgin, BT, Yahoo... start straming their video adverts and the system grinds to a halt.
Most of the download quotas are used up with straming advertising.
So the real upload, download and quota should be what your ISP is supplying you minus the adverts.
I set my pages to Google.co.uk, no streaming advers there, but if I go to Xerox for a printer, Dell for their 3 year old drivers, or a file download site, the amount of adverts is impossible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I use remote desktops a lot. One of the main problems I have is that as soon as I open a web page (for an update for example), MSN, Virgin, BT, Yahoo&#8230; start straming their video adverts and the system grinds to a halt.<br />
Most of the download quotas are used up with straming advertising.<br />
So the real upload, download and quota should be what your ISP is supplying you minus the adverts.<br />
I set my pages to Google.co.uk, no streaming advers there, but if I go to Xerox for a printer, Dell for their 3 year old drivers, or a file download site, the amount of adverts is impossible.</p>
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		<title>By: Strangely</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/07/31/britains-scandalous-upload-speeds/comment-page-1/#comment-99730</link>
		<dc:creator>Strangely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 09:35:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s the problem?  It&#039;s no good saying &quot;something must be done - it&#039;s terrible!&quot;

The reason the up&lt;down is in the name of the service - ASYMMETRIC digital subscriber line (ADSL).  It&#039;s a technical and economic bodge.  The Wikipedia article gives a pretty good run-through of it all.  If you want faster uploads, then you&#039;ll have to pay for it in one way or another.
It&#039;s somewhat annoying when continual references are made by conurbanites comparing the virtues of BT with Virgin etc.  For large chunks of the population like me, this is a dream world.  The Virgin pipe stopped at Weston Super Mare when it&#039;s fore-runners NTL/Blueyonder ran out of cash.  That was nearly a decade ago and despite the recent consumer boom no-one has had the cash and wherewithal to push on with any sort of high-speed rollout.
The reason for that is probably the continual pressure on lowering costs which has made a &#039;service&#039; most suitable for the lowest common denominator at the expense of the bigger picture.  The same thing is happening now with the ordinary postal service which at it&#039;s inception was a brilliant concept.

To expand on what I said, it all has to be paid for in one way or another and ADSL is just a technical and economic bodge plastering over the cracks of an under-financed infrastructure..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s the problem?  It&#8217;s no good saying &#8220;something must be done &#8211; it&#8217;s terrible!&#8221;</p>
<p>The reason the up&lt;down is in the name of the service &#8211; ASYMMETRIC digital subscriber line (ADSL).  It&#8217;s a technical and economic bodge.  The Wikipedia article gives a pretty good run-through of it all.  If you want faster uploads, then you&#8217;ll have to pay for it in one way or another.<br />
It&#8217;s somewhat annoying when continual references are made by conurbanites comparing the virtues of BT with Virgin etc.  For large chunks of the population like me, this is a dream world.  The Virgin pipe stopped at Weston Super Mare when it&#8217;s fore-runners NTL/Blueyonder ran out of cash.  That was nearly a decade ago and despite the recent consumer boom no-one has had the cash and wherewithal to push on with any sort of high-speed rollout.<br />
The reason for that is probably the continual pressure on lowering costs which has made a &#8217;service&#8217; most suitable for the lowest common denominator at the expense of the bigger picture.  The same thing is happening now with the ordinary postal service which at it&#8217;s inception was a brilliant concept.</p>
<p>To expand on what I said, it all has to be paid for in one way or another and ADSL is just a technical and economic bodge plastering over the cracks of an under-financed infrastructure..</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 08:16:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Couldn&#039;t agree more! I&#039;ve been trying to use online backup for some time but with the less than 1mbit upload speed it&#039;s a right pain. And the SDSL prices are ridiculous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Couldn&#8217;t agree more! I&#8217;ve been trying to use online backup for some time but with the less than 1mbit upload speed it&#8217;s a right pain. And the SDSL prices are ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Aug 2009 09:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At last! Someone has got this issue into the media! I&#039;ve been jumping up and down about this for years! I manage web sites and servers for clients all around the globe, and uploading applications and updates has been the bane of my life for over 10 years. I&#039;ve asked ISPs to increase the upload rates innumerable times, and offered to pay more even, but none of them (BT, Virgin, and several minor resellers) have ever responded positively.  Please keep pushing the issue. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At last! Someone has got this issue into the media! I&#8217;ve been jumping up and down about this for years! I manage web sites and servers for clients all around the globe, and uploading applications and updates has been the bane of my life for over 10 years. I&#8217;ve asked ISPs to increase the upload rates innumerable times, and offered to pay more even, but none of them (BT, Virgin, and several minor resellers) have ever responded positively.  Please keep pushing the issue. Thanks.</p>
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