Posted on July 21st, 2009 by Barry Collins
What’s the oldest piece of PC hardware in Britain?
My post on Windows 7’s lingering affection for floppy disks sparked a lively game of hardware poker on PC Pro’s Twitter account yesterday.
Within minutes, people were merrily tweeting in, trying to out-do one another with stories of old hardware that was still running perfectly, many years after it should have been rightfully retired to a landfill site in China.
@djbennett999 showed his hand early, claiming his dad still uses a Windows 98 PC with Internet Explorer 6. He was, frankly, going all in with nothing stronger than a 2 and a 3. No fewer than 37 people arrived at the PC Pro website yesterday with a Windows 98 PC. Seven were still running Windows 95, while 10 diehards darkened our door with a Windows 3.x system. Sorry, @djbennett999, you’re playing with the big boys now.
@graphiclunarkid actually had a hand worth playing. “My father still runs SuperCalc 5 and WordPerfect 5 in DOS boxes, backed up to floppy disk,” he boasted, before pulling an Ace out of his sleeve. “And his A3 dot-matrix printer is 25 yrs old!”.
Not bad. But @sebtoast wasn’t about to let a kid, albeit a graphiclunarkid, walk away with the pot. “I worked at a company that would service IBM systems like the 5362,” he said, providing a link to a website to prove he wasn’t just making this stuff up. “There is a picture of its HDD, which if my memory is correct, weighs 75-100 pounds,” he added in a follow-up tweet. Pah, that’s nothing pal. We’ve got a flash drive that costs £650!
But just as we were about to shuffle the chips in @sebtoast’s direction, @heybatesy suddenly decided to slap his cards on the table. “My father-in-law still has a number of control systems for grain silos in farms across the east, still in use, controlled by VIC-20’s,” he harrumphed. “He would also like to know if anybody is available for some VIC-20 recompiling work – he has the code printouts!”
Thirty-year-old VIC-20s as the backbone of British agriculture? No wonder the industry’s in ruins.
But before we take off our shirt and hand it to the son-in-law of a Commodore-obsessed farmer, we thought we’d open up the debate to the PC Pro blog. Do you know of anything older than @heybatesy’s VIC-20 still in active service? Glory awaits.
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July 21st, 2009 at 9:47 am
I still have a Memotech MTX500, sitting in a shop window in Stadthagen now, it is a lovely bit of kit, brushed black alumium – although Apple fans will be disappointed, it isn’t made from a single piece of aluminium
I threw out my old Apricot Xi (10MB HD, graphical user interface, 2 full office sweets, BASIC, C and PASCAL compilers plus documents and it still wasn’t half full!) when I moved to Germany. That was a lovely old machine circa 2004.
Steve Gibson (grc.com) recently rescued a PDP-8 from the scrapper a couple of months back and is regaling his listeners on This Week In Security with stories of assembly language programming on it
July 21st, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Although admittedly not used regularly I still have a Texas Instruments Ti/99a that my dad bought us. Even has an add on speech synthesizer and solid state cartridges for programs.
I think there is a Sinclair ZX81 around somehwere too.
July 21st, 2009 at 4:52 pm
I meant Pounds as in weight not price! But that flash drive is insanely expansive!
I’ll stick with my 8gb for now.
July 21st, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Dammit. I knew I’d regret throwing out that ZX80.
July 21st, 2009 at 5:16 pm
I Have a ZX 81 along with a ZX Spectrum 48K and Spectrum + and even a ZX Spectrum 128K the original rare one with the heatsink. All still working. The ZX 81 needs a new power supply but tested it with a friends and worked perfectly first time.
July 21st, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Bad News;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8159406.stm
(although it may not count as it’s not in continual use!)
July 22nd, 2009 at 11:09 am
I know of a mate who uses his spectrum 128k as a midi device and I know of another mate that has an Atari ST in constant use as a midi sequencer. Isn’t it strange that in an age of 3D gaming behemoths that a lot of the older spectrum games are now being played online as flash games? Who can forget Boulderdash….
July 22nd, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Another ZX81 in perfect working order. Can’t find the 16K module, but still have the till receipt £59.95 from Smiths Sloane Sq, the original packaging and carrier bag also all the leads and several magazines from that era with code for you to type in, several tape casettes also with programs on inc Chess.
Still beats me in pong, never been into gaming as a result!!!
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:40 am
Although these PC’s are fairly old, when I was in the Royal Navy I maintained computers that were, even for their time, way older.
In the 1990’s (I left in 1994) and possibly into this century, the Ferranti FM1600 computers were still widely used.
The one that was part of my Sonar system, an FM1600B, came in 5 cabinets. The first cabinet contained the CPU and other peripherals. The CPU occupied an entire shelf of circuit boards which, if you wanted to (and we were taught to!) you could fault find down to gate level.
Although each memory location contained 24bits, the maximum addressable memory space was 64KB. Wait – it gets better…
Memory came in 4 large (approx 4″ wide, 18″ high, 18″ deep) units, each containing 16KB of core store – 1 hand knitted ferrite core per bit, with 3 wires passing through each. You could even tune your memory with an oscilloscope! Each 16KB block cost £60,000 – £650 flash drives – eat your heart out !
Software came on, of course, mylar (tough paper) tape.
The boot sequence started by using a bank of 24 switches to enter a sequence of single machine code instructions to clear memory. Next, a boot switch was rotated, executing about 14 hard wired machine code instructions, which ‘taught’ the computer how to read 5 hole unsigned paper tape. Running this little program started the paper tape running – the 5-hole code teaching the computer to read 8 hole-unsigned paper tape then finally 8-hole-signed paper type.
It wasn’t all bad though – once the operational program (4 reels of paper tape) was in memory, the whole of memory could be dumped to mag tape (reel-to-reel – no girly cassettes here!) which could then be loaded in little more than a minute!
July 23rd, 2009 at 10:58 am
just look here:
http://www.yesterpc.com
July 23rd, 2009 at 1:13 pm
All you guys with old kit – Do beige DOS boxes go nicotine yellow naturally – or was it the result of all the cigarette smoke in our workplace?
July 26th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
A friend of mine has an Elliot 802 in his dinning room. It has core memory, so programs do not have to be reloaded when you start it up, which is fortunate as it has nothing fancy like a disk drive. II have seen him load its Algol 60 compiler from paper tape.
It was still fully functional a few years ago – I must call him and see if it still is!
July 27th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Doing a full IT audit here (new job) and found an 80286 based machine running at 8Mhz (with a turbo button and everything). It is still in service as a UNIX terminal!