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		<title>By: Simon Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/07/13/office-2010-applications-editions/comment-page-1/#comment-141844</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 08:06:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your figures for SA are a bit steep. It is generally about 30% of the original cost of the licence plus SA but that is per renewal, not per year. 

If you use the OpenValue licence you get the spread the initial cost AND the renewal cost over three years. SO, if the licence &amp; SA costs £100 then you pay £33 per year for the first three years. In years 4+ you would pay just £11 per year.

Compare this to spending say £66 on a retail licence and then £40-ish on upgrades for new versions when they are released. (Though Office 2010 won&#039;t have a specific &quot;upgrade&quot; price.) 

Alternatively, you could spend £40 on an OEM version every time you change your hardware.
[All prices are hypothetical.]

Having predictable costs and spreading the payments are features of licencing that are quite valuable to most SMEs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your figures for SA are a bit steep. It is generally about 30% of the original cost of the licence plus SA but that is per renewal, not per year. </p>
<p>If you use the OpenValue licence you get the spread the initial cost AND the renewal cost over three years. SO, if the licence &amp; SA costs £100 then you pay £33 per year for the first three years. In years 4+ you would pay just £11 per year.</p>
<p>Compare this to spending say £66 on a retail licence and then £40-ish on upgrades for new versions when they are released. (Though Office 2010 won&#8217;t have a specific &#8220;upgrade&#8221; price.) </p>
<p>Alternatively, you could spend £40 on an OEM version every time you change your hardware.<br />
[All prices are hypothetical.]</p>
<p>Having predictable costs and spreading the payments are features of licencing that are quite valuable to most SMEs.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/07/13/office-2010-applications-editions/comment-page-1/#comment-141766</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Mar 2010 01:18:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bear in mind that SA, while useful for those who need to be bleeding edge, does have a cost implication when purchasing volume licenses (yes it also has other benefits, though generally only useful in a business environment - such as allowing staff to purchase heavily discounted like for like licenses for use at home). From memory this cost is approx 30% of the original license cost per year (and SA expires every 2 or 3 years unless it&#039;s renewed), so what does this mean to you? If you don&#039;t upgrade your desktop or server OS / applications / CALS / application server software (exchange/sql etc )etc etc on each and every release SA can be a waste of financial resource.

Large enterprise may find SA useful because of the extent of their IS operations but smaller businesses who have few dedicated staff and write down their hardware/system purchases over a time frame greater than the Microsoft OS/App turnover cycle will be better off financially simply paying out for new licenses when required.

The company I work for decided not to opt for SA on the basis that we do not upgrade server OS&#039;s and apps in place and desktop application suite turnover is rare (we still use Office 2K3 at present) and tend to retain servers for 4-5 years and desktops for 4. SA would cost us in the region of 20% over the cost of simply replacing licenses.

Sorry, I started rambling...

I still do not understand the exclusion of Outlook from Home and Student edition of Office2007. More and more Outlook/Exchange is the de-facto standard for business email and Word ditto for document creation, so for many people it would make sense to have Office on their home PCs, but the pricing structure is such that to add outlook would cost 70% of the (list)retail cost of Office home and student (or more, a lot more if you opt for Office Standard). 

Having said that, many of the features of Outlook are wasted in a home environment as it is primarily geared towards integration with enterprise application servers, primarily exchange and sharepoint.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bear in mind that SA, while useful for those who need to be bleeding edge, does have a cost implication when purchasing volume licenses (yes it also has other benefits, though generally only useful in a business environment &#8211; such as allowing staff to purchase heavily discounted like for like licenses for use at home). From memory this cost is approx 30% of the original license cost per year (and SA expires every 2 or 3 years unless it&#8217;s renewed), so what does this mean to you? If you don&#8217;t upgrade your desktop or server OS / applications / CALS / application server software (exchange/sql etc )etc etc on each and every release SA can be a waste of financial resource.</p>
<p>Large enterprise may find SA useful because of the extent of their IS operations but smaller businesses who have few dedicated staff and write down their hardware/system purchases over a time frame greater than the Microsoft OS/App turnover cycle will be better off financially simply paying out for new licenses when required.</p>
<p>The company I work for decided not to opt for SA on the basis that we do not upgrade server OS&#8217;s and apps in place and desktop application suite turnover is rare (we still use Office 2K3 at present) and tend to retain servers for 4-5 years and desktops for 4. SA would cost us in the region of 20% over the cost of simply replacing licenses.</p>
<p>Sorry, I started rambling&#8230;</p>
<p>I still do not understand the exclusion of Outlook from Home and Student edition of Office2007. More and more Outlook/Exchange is the de-facto standard for business email and Word ditto for document creation, so for many people it would make sense to have Office on their home PCs, but the pricing structure is such that to add outlook would cost 70% of the (list)retail cost of Office home and student (or more, a lot more if you opt for Office Standard). </p>
<p>Having said that, many of the features of Outlook are wasted in a home environment as it is primarily geared towards integration with enterprise application servers, primarily exchange and sharepoint.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/07/13/office-2010-applications-editions/comment-page-1/#comment-94021</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,

You can buy the Standard edition but only through the Volume Licencing (VL) route, not retail. Microsoft sell far more licences through VL than through retail channels so VL is the normal way to sell for them.

You only need to be buying five licences (of any combination of Microsoft products) to qualify for VL deals. If you&#039;re kitting out three PCs with Windows and Office, you&#039;re already buying six licences and VL may be better value than retail. 

Open Value Licences allow you to spread the cost over three years and include Software Assurance (SA) so you can upgrade to the next version as soon as it is released and extras such as desktop &amp; laptop licences for each user, &quot;At Home&quot; use and extra training.

If you&#039;ve just got one or two PCs and don&#039;t update them with each new release, retail (Full Package Product), Upgrade or OEM licences may be more cost effective. 

Beware, however, that OEM licences die with the computer so if you have an OEM version of an applicaiton, you can&#039;t use the application when you buy a new PC. You have to buy the application again even if you&#039;ve bought an upgrade to a new version in the meantime. To keep using the application for ever you have to buy FPP Retail (and then upgrades) or VL (with SA).

Simon Jones
Contributing Editor
PC Pro</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,</p>
<p>You can buy the Standard edition but only through the Volume Licencing (VL) route, not retail. Microsoft sell far more licences through VL than through retail channels so VL is the normal way to sell for them.</p>
<p>You only need to be buying five licences (of any combination of Microsoft products) to qualify for VL deals. If you&#8217;re kitting out three PCs with Windows and Office, you&#8217;re already buying six licences and VL may be better value than retail. </p>
<p>Open Value Licences allow you to spread the cost over three years and include Software Assurance (SA) so you can upgrade to the next version as soon as it is released and extras such as desktop &amp; laptop licences for each user, &#8220;At Home&#8221; use and extra training.</p>
<p>If you&#8217;ve just got one or two PCs and don&#8217;t update them with each new release, retail (Full Package Product), Upgrade or OEM licences may be more cost effective. </p>
<p>Beware, however, that OEM licences die with the computer so if you have an OEM version of an applicaiton, you can&#8217;t use the application when you buy a new PC. You have to buy the application again even if you&#8217;ve bought an upgrade to a new version in the meantime. To keep using the application for ever you have to buy FPP Retail (and then upgrades) or VL (with SA).</p>
<p>Simon Jones<br />
Contributing Editor<br />
PC Pro</p>
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		<title>By: David Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/07/13/office-2010-applications-editions/comment-page-1/#comment-93901</link>
		<dc:creator>David Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 10:18:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for that Simon.

Still don&#039;t understand how the &quot;standard&quot; version can be the standard version, if you can&#039;t actually buy it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for that Simon.</p>
<p>Still don&#8217;t understand how the &#8220;standard&#8221; version can be the standard version, if you can&#8217;t actually buy it!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/07/13/office-2010-applications-editions/comment-page-1/#comment-92386</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 06:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David Wright
OneNote is the fourth application on the table in the original post and all editions will now carry it.
Simon Jones
Contributing Editor
PC Pro</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David Wright<br />
OneNote is the fourth application on the table in the original post and all editions will now carry it.<br />
Simon Jones<br />
Contributing Editor<br />
PC Pro</p>
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		<title>By: David Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/07/13/office-2010-applications-editions/comment-page-1/#comment-92371</link>
		<dc:creator>David Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 05:04:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gah! Home and Student doesn&#039;t get Outlook, again! Given that Windows 7 does away with a built in mail client (you need to download the Live Mail client), I find this to be a slip up...

And the &quot;Standard&quot; version can&#039;t be purchased? How can it be the *?*?ing standard version, when you can&#039;t buy it? :-S

OneNote seems to be missing from the list. Has this been dropped?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gah! Home and Student doesn&#8217;t get Outlook, again! Given that Windows 7 does away with a built in mail client (you need to download the Live Mail client), I find this to be a slip up&#8230;</p>
<p>And the &#8220;Standard&#8221; version can&#8217;t be purchased? How can it be the *?*?ing standard version, when you can&#8217;t buy it? :-S</p>
<p>OneNote seems to be missing from the list. Has this been dropped?</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/07/13/office-2010-applications-editions/comment-page-1/#comment-92329</link>
		<dc:creator>Simon Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Publisher is hit hard, now only appearing, for retail users, in Professional Edition, but it has always been bit of a Cinderalla application and often despised as hard to use or not as good as some rival DTP packages. The 2010 overhaul with the new Ribbon Interface and alignment technology inherited from Visual Studio make a big difference but it is still hampered by old, and very American looking, templates. Perhaps that will change.

OneNote is useful on desktops and laptops, not just Tablet PCs. Its not just about handwriting. Its about gathering information from many different sources - web pages, other applications - and organising it. Once you&#039;ve gathered the information it can be used to inform decisions or rearranged, pasted into other applications, formatted and turned into finished documents.

OneNote has long deserved a wider audience and I&#039;m very glad it has finally got it.

Simon Jones
Contributing Editor
PC Pro</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Publisher is hit hard, now only appearing, for retail users, in Professional Edition, but it has always been bit of a Cinderalla application and often despised as hard to use or not as good as some rival DTP packages. The 2010 overhaul with the new Ribbon Interface and alignment technology inherited from Visual Studio make a big difference but it is still hampered by old, and very American looking, templates. Perhaps that will change.</p>
<p>OneNote is useful on desktops and laptops, not just Tablet PCs. Its not just about handwriting. Its about gathering information from many different sources &#8211; web pages, other applications &#8211; and organising it. Once you&#8217;ve gathered the information it can be used to inform decisions or rearranged, pasted into other applications, formatted and turned into finished documents.</p>
<p>OneNote has long deserved a wider audience and I&#8217;m very glad it has finally got it.</p>
<p>Simon Jones<br />
Contributing Editor<br />
PC Pro</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 20:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As usual I find Publisher to be hardest hit. This is a very good bit of software which to my miind is way under valued, and we can see why now.. you either buy it as an individual app at £120+ approx or as part of Professional - especially now that Standard will be Volume licence only! I don&#039;t know how many families would ever need or use Access but I do know many that do and would use Publisher for flyers, posters, cards..etc..as Word is so bad at handling images and texted mixed together for a decent non-time consuming document. 
As for OneNote - the only use I would have for it would be with a tablet PC or digi-pen to use the writing/note taking facility. I would much rather the home &amp; student edition had Publisher instead of OneNote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As usual I find Publisher to be hardest hit. This is a very good bit of software which to my miind is way under valued, and we can see why now.. you either buy it as an individual app at £120+ approx or as part of Professional &#8211; especially now that Standard will be Volume licence only! I don&#8217;t know how many families would ever need or use Access but I do know many that do and would use Publisher for flyers, posters, cards..etc..as Word is so bad at handling images and texted mixed together for a decent non-time consuming document.<br />
As for OneNote &#8211; the only use I would have for it would be with a tablet PC or digi-pen to use the writing/note taking facility. I would much rather the home &amp; student edition had Publisher instead of OneNote.</p>
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