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	<title>Comments on: Broken Windows &#8211; are you happy now EU?</title>
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		<title>By: Kristofferst</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/06/12/broken-windows-are-you-happy-now-eu/comment-page-1/#comment-79219</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristofferst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Jun 2009 23:35:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t pretend to agree with the EU here.. but Microsoft is somewhat at fault.. IE7 and downwards can&#039;t be uninstalled properly and XP have to have IE to update XP. 

Which makes Opera&#039;s claim that Microsoft is abusing their monopoly somewhat valid. Then there is the EU playing it way to hardball.. 

Might be somewhat biased towards Opera as I and Opera is both Norwegian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t pretend to agree with the EU here.. but Microsoft is somewhat at fault.. IE7 and downwards can&#8217;t be uninstalled properly and XP have to have IE to update XP. </p>
<p>Which makes Opera&#8217;s claim that Microsoft is abusing their monopoly somewhat valid. Then there is the EU playing it way to hardball.. </p>
<p>Might be somewhat biased towards Opera as I and Opera is both Norwegian.</p>
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		<title>By: Strangely Perfect</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/06/12/broken-windows-are-you-happy-now-eu/comment-page-1/#comment-77686</link>
		<dc:creator>Strangely Perfect</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not a problem with the EU.
The EU has taken M$&#039;s continuing illegal business practices to task.  It&#039;s exposed M$&#039;s previous excuses for what they are - lies and excuses disguised as technical mumbo-jumbo.

Dig through windows and you&#039;ll still see the phrase &quot;Built on NT technology&quot;.  This is mid-nineties code.  M$ then (around 1999 when win2k came out) said that IE was &quot;part of the operating system&quot; and so *could not be removed*.
They then obfuscated and instigated a whole sleuth of delaying tactics to eliminate all business competitors.
This &#039;technical&#039; statement, as it turned out following the court cases, and now, as it is even more blindingly obvious, was a pack of lie.  In fact, more a stack of lies.  M$, by their current actions, have admitted that their previous statements about OS-browser integration were all false, which means the fines and penalties are completely justified and that all the companies that Gates-Balmer crushed have complete right on their side.

The police say that a murder case is never closed until it&#039;s solved.  There is no time limit.

So why do the majority of commenters slag off the EU for pursuing to completion the prosecution of the absolute criminal activities of Microsoft and make sure that they pay for their law breaking?  Furthermore, why do they want to allow M$ to continue in their illegal ways?   If they are not prosecuted and then stopped, then like the naughty child they will continue....  
I suggest it&#039;s more a comment on the current state of politics in the UK than any rational attempt to see justice done or promote an environment of software compatability.

Justice and the upholding of laws is *the most important thing* in a civilised society.  You must *never* let &#039;them&#039; get away with it, no matter how big they are.
This stuff from the last 15 years (yes, 15) is one set of M$ actions.  How many of you are future predictors?  None.  You cannot tell what new technologies are coming and what new monopolistic practices will evolve alongside.  The only thing we have is our laws, and they must be upheld at all times.

So to ridicule the people and the system for trying to do this is idiotic and very short sighted.  The history of the 20th century proves this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not a problem with the EU.<br />
The EU has taken M$&#8217;s continuing illegal business practices to task.  It&#8217;s exposed M$&#8217;s previous excuses for what they are &#8211; lies and excuses disguised as technical mumbo-jumbo.</p>
<p>Dig through windows and you&#8217;ll still see the phrase &#8220;Built on NT technology&#8221;.  This is mid-nineties code.  M$ then (around 1999 when win2k came out) said that IE was &#8220;part of the operating system&#8221; and so *could not be removed*.<br />
They then obfuscated and instigated a whole sleuth of delaying tactics to eliminate all business competitors.<br />
This &#8216;technical&#8217; statement, as it turned out following the court cases, and now, as it is even more blindingly obvious, was a pack of lie.  In fact, more a stack of lies.  M$, by their current actions, have admitted that their previous statements about OS-browser integration were all false, which means the fines and penalties are completely justified and that all the companies that Gates-Balmer crushed have complete right on their side.</p>
<p>The police say that a murder case is never closed until it&#8217;s solved.  There is no time limit.</p>
<p>So why do the majority of commenters slag off the EU for pursuing to completion the prosecution of the absolute criminal activities of Microsoft and make sure that they pay for their law breaking?  Furthermore, why do they want to allow M$ to continue in their illegal ways?   If they are not prosecuted and then stopped, then like the naughty child they will continue&#8230;.<br />
I suggest it&#8217;s more a comment on the current state of politics in the UK than any rational attempt to see justice done or promote an environment of software compatability.</p>
<p>Justice and the upholding of laws is *the most important thing* in a civilised society.  You must *never* let &#8216;them&#8217; get away with it, no matter how big they are.<br />
This stuff from the last 15 years (yes, 15) is one set of M$ actions.  How many of you are future predictors?  None.  You cannot tell what new technologies are coming and what new monopolistic practices will evolve alongside.  The only thing we have is our laws, and they must be upheld at all times.</p>
<p>So to ridicule the people and the system for trying to do this is idiotic and very short sighted.  The history of the 20th century proves this.</p>
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		<title>By: Arpad</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/06/12/broken-windows-are-you-happy-now-eu/comment-page-1/#comment-77683</link>
		<dc:creator>Arpad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 07:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EU is CLEARLY not happy with Microsoft&#039;s childish and ignorant decision, but I am not that sad. Better this way then SUPPORTING ruthless monopoly. And yes, a choice is really not a problem, everybody knows which top 5 browsers are out there and a notice that &quot;there are more&quot; would satisfy both EU and the users. Come on people, please don&#039;t cry over Microsoft&#039;s &quot;mind blowing problem&quot;. At the end, I think they should be punished some way for being this childish, ignorant and evil since it&#039;s clear that fair play is off the list for them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EU is CLEARLY not happy with Microsoft&#8217;s childish and ignorant decision, but I am not that sad. Better this way then SUPPORTING ruthless monopoly. And yes, a choice is really not a problem, everybody knows which top 5 browsers are out there and a notice that &#8220;there are more&#8221; would satisfy both EU and the users. Come on people, please don&#8217;t cry over Microsoft&#8217;s &#8220;mind blowing problem&#8221;. At the end, I think they should be punished some way for being this childish, ignorant and evil since it&#8217;s clear that fair play is off the list for them.</p>
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		<title>By: pammy</title>
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		<dc:creator>pammy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:54:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MS should release one version of Win 7 which can be in-place upgraded and contain IE8 - after the Welcome screens, it should ask the user if he wants to delete it or visit a MS web page which contains links to anyones browser-download page that wants to have a link.
The user can then install one or more alternative browsers and if they wish, remove IE8.
This would be the best way for everyone and allow users to do in-place upgrades.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MS should release one version of Win 7 which can be in-place upgraded and contain IE8 &#8211; after the Welcome screens, it should ask the user if he wants to delete it or visit a MS web page which contains links to anyones browser-download page that wants to have a link.<br />
The user can then install one or more alternative browsers and if they wish, remove IE8.<br />
This would be the best way for everyone and allow users to do in-place upgrades.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Cassidy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Cassidy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 10:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do wish the critics would do their research. The European anti-MS stance is most definitely not a matter of Bureaucracy: the idea that european thinking or unity on this or that topic is about Brussels/Strasbourg mandateless pencilpushers is inherited from an especially clueless type of British tabloid journalism.

Anti-MS sentiments work well in Europe because they start at the grass roots, and they mesh well with an anti-English-speaking sentiment. Lots of europeans view the Anglocentric approach of the vast majority of software with thinly disguised annoyance - from where they sit, the imposition of a browser is not that much different from the imposition of a language (and keyboard...). I have no doubt there are non-english blogs and forums filled with exactly the same emotions as we see here, pointed in the opposite direction.

If you chase the &quot;Bureaucrats&quot;, lads, you are missing the point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do wish the critics would do their research. The European anti-MS stance is most definitely not a matter of Bureaucracy: the idea that european thinking or unity on this or that topic is about Brussels/Strasbourg mandateless pencilpushers is inherited from an especially clueless type of British tabloid journalism.</p>
<p>Anti-MS sentiments work well in Europe because they start at the grass roots, and they mesh well with an anti-English-speaking sentiment. Lots of europeans view the Anglocentric approach of the vast majority of software with thinly disguised annoyance &#8211; from where they sit, the imposition of a browser is not that much different from the imposition of a language (and keyboard&#8230;). I have no doubt there are non-english blogs and forums filled with exactly the same emotions as we see here, pointed in the opposite direction.</p>
<p>If you chase the &#8220;Bureaucrats&#8221;, lads, you are missing the point.</p>
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		<title>By: Owen</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/06/12/broken-windows-are-you-happy-now-eu/comment-page-1/#comment-75775</link>
		<dc:creator>Owen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 22:13:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt You are the retarded person. And nearly everyone will care because nearly everyone uses Windows, so it affects them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt You are the retarded person. And nearly everyone will care because nearly everyone uses Windows, so it affects them.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 20:39:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt you are clearly a retard or else you wouldn&#039;t swear so much.

The debate is no longer about IE6 vs the new kid on the block FF. All the main browsers are perfectly useable. I use FF and IE8. They are both good products. I think its incredible the way people get so entrenched on this. It was obvious that MS would get their act together and improve IE. Its arguable which is the best browser. Frankly, I find the debate a bit boring now, I just want to get on and surf, and I can do that pefectly well with IE8, FF or one of the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt you are clearly a retard or else you wouldn&#8217;t swear so much.</p>
<p>The debate is no longer about IE6 vs the new kid on the block FF. All the main browsers are perfectly useable. I use FF and IE8. They are both good products. I think its incredible the way people get so entrenched on this. It was obvious that MS would get their act together and improve IE. Its arguable which is the best browser. Frankly, I find the debate a bit boring now, I just want to get on and surf, and I can do that pefectly well with IE8, FF or one of the others.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 19:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What would be really cool ..... MS went the whole hog and stripped out all the other rubbish out of windows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What would be really cool &#8230;.. MS went the whole hog and stripped out all the other rubbish out of windows.</p>
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		<title>By: Danile</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danile</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 17:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Matt; you clearly care or you wouldn&#039;t need to swear so much. Internet Explorer 8 is a perfectly usable, albeit slightly slower, web browser that is secure enough for most people. As long as you&#039;re not obsessive about every 1/4 second wait or in possession of dubious browsing habits you will be fine. Most people will have longer delays from connection speed issues in real life.

The average user will use the default browser whilst they learn, but switch later on to something better once they know a bit more, probably on the recommendation of a friend. Kids are becoming more computer literate so even this will fade in 5 to 10 years. 

This is all just rubbish to keep the lawyers occupied. It is probably just going to make things a bit more &quot;difficult&quot;: when I buy a new PC I will have to do something other than use IE to download Chrome (for example). This is clearly going to have a massive impact on my life about every 3 years. [/sarcasm]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Matt; you clearly care or you wouldn&#8217;t need to swear so much. Internet Explorer 8 is a perfectly usable, albeit slightly slower, web browser that is secure enough for most people. As long as you&#8217;re not obsessive about every 1/4 second wait or in possession of dubious browsing habits you will be fine. Most people will have longer delays from connection speed issues in real life.</p>
<p>The average user will use the default browser whilst they learn, but switch later on to something better once they know a bit more, probably on the recommendation of a friend. Kids are becoming more computer literate so even this will fade in 5 to 10 years. </p>
<p>This is all just rubbish to keep the lawyers occupied. It is probably just going to make things a bit more &#8220;difficult&#8221;: when I buy a new PC I will have to do something other than use IE to download Chrome (for example). This is clearly going to have a massive impact on my life about every 3 years. [/sarcasm]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Jun 2009 00:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1. It&#039;s not the EU fighting, it&#039;s Opera. EU is just helping them.
2. It&#039;s not yesterdays battle. As far as I remember browser wars are on the peak of heat with firefox 3.5, opera 10, chrome 2, safari 4 being released, all of which are great browsers. Of course if this was done earlier it would have bigger impact, but I&#039;m sure IE is going to loose some more % of users&#039; that it earned just by being default.
3. I doubt all manufacturers will bundle IE. We even have quite a lot netbooks with linux bundled, I&#039;m sure some pcs will have other browsers preinstalled.
4. Upgrading windows not being possible due removing of IE is total bullshit from microsoft. IE is just some exe&#039;s, dll&#039;s and configuration files all of which can be deleted when upgrading. As for other settings - why would I need to delete that? Imagine if I install firefox and then when uninstalling it formats my hard drive... Makes no sense? Same as microsoft.
5. As for user&#039;s that reinstall windows themselves - if you can reinstall windows, I&#039;m sure you are computer literate enough to download browser. Is it really so difficult to download copy of your favorite browser to flash drive or w/e?
Finally as a web developer I&#039;m glad to see that IE is being removed. Maybe in some near future we won&#039;t need separate stylesheets for non IE browsers, IE6, IE7 and IE8...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. It&#8217;s not the EU fighting, it&#8217;s Opera. EU is just helping them.<br />
2. It&#8217;s not yesterdays battle. As far as I remember browser wars are on the peak of heat with firefox 3.5, opera 10, chrome 2, safari 4 being released, all of which are great browsers. Of course if this was done earlier it would have bigger impact, but I&#8217;m sure IE is going to loose some more % of users&#8217; that it earned just by being default.<br />
3. I doubt all manufacturers will bundle IE. We even have quite a lot netbooks with linux bundled, I&#8217;m sure some pcs will have other browsers preinstalled.<br />
4. Upgrading windows not being possible due removing of IE is total bullshit from microsoft. IE is just some exe&#8217;s, dll&#8217;s and configuration files all of which can be deleted when upgrading. As for other settings &#8211; why would I need to delete that? Imagine if I install firefox and then when uninstalling it formats my hard drive&#8230; Makes no sense? Same as microsoft.<br />
5. As for user&#8217;s that reinstall windows themselves &#8211; if you can reinstall windows, I&#8217;m sure you are computer literate enough to download browser. Is it really so difficult to download copy of your favorite browser to flash drive or w/e?<br />
Finally as a web developer I&#8217;m glad to see that IE is being removed. Maybe in some near future we won&#8217;t need separate stylesheets for non IE browsers, IE6, IE7 and IE8&#8230;</p>
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