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	<title>Comments on: Time for Microsoft to name its Windows 7 price</title>
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		<title>By: Climberjames</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/05/18/time-for-microsoft-to-name-its-windows-7-price/comment-page-1/#comment-61510</link>
		<dc:creator>Climberjames</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 May 2009 16:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MS will charge whatever they deem fit to cover their cost. Thats the bottom line. They may try to hike the cost a bit (in comparison to Vista) to take advantage of the expectation in the market. They may lower the cost to create more good will (and as an apology to those who have been badly burned by Vista) and close the market even more to other OSes. 

Then again they may not. 

Chances are that someone out there will get hold of the final release before anyone else, rip it and then send it out via p2p with a jolly old snub to MS. 

It would be nice if MS would release an easy W7 upgrade version for Blista users and it would also be nice if their proprietary system was not ripped and sent out, causing them to raise the prices to cover lost revenue. But this is not a nice world. And they are an aggressive corporation...thus only time will tell if they are sensible and listen to what the market and their consumers are saying.

Time will tell...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MS will charge whatever they deem fit to cover their cost. Thats the bottom line. They may try to hike the cost a bit (in comparison to Vista) to take advantage of the expectation in the market. They may lower the cost to create more good will (and as an apology to those who have been badly burned by Vista) and close the market even more to other OSes. </p>
<p>Then again they may not. </p>
<p>Chances are that someone out there will get hold of the final release before anyone else, rip it and then send it out via p2p with a jolly old snub to MS. </p>
<p>It would be nice if MS would release an easy W7 upgrade version for Blista users and it would also be nice if their proprietary system was not ripped and sent out, causing them to raise the prices to cover lost revenue. But this is not a nice world. And they are an aggressive corporation&#8230;thus only time will tell if they are sensible and listen to what the market and their consumers are saying.</p>
<p>Time will tell&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gary</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/05/18/time-for-microsoft-to-name-its-windows-7-price/comment-page-1/#comment-60642</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 09:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely! 

I spashed out on Vista x64 to make better use extra procs. and memory on a new AMD home build...... LOL - Well - that lasted 3 months, and after many BSODS and incompatibility issues I&#039;m now back on XP - resource constrained, but no longer suffering.  

MS &quot;Blista&quot; DVD - Anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely! </p>
<p>I spashed out on Vista x64 to make better use extra procs. and memory on a new AMD home build&#8230;&#8230; LOL &#8211; Well &#8211; that lasted 3 months, and after many BSODS and incompatibility issues I&#8217;m now back on XP &#8211; resource constrained, but no longer suffering.  </p>
<p>MS &#8220;Blista&#8221; DVD &#8211; Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Jen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 10:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@John Hind
Couldn&#039;t agree more.  I&#039;m really hoping that an upgrade from Vista will be cheap enough for me to afford.  Drives me crazy every time I have to do anything with my home laptop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@John Hind<br />
Couldn&#8217;t agree more.  I&#8217;m really hoping that an upgrade from Vista will be cheap enough for me to afford.  Drives me crazy every time I have to do anything with my home laptop.</p>
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		<title>By: big_D</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/05/18/time-for-microsoft-to-name-its-windows-7-price/comment-page-1/#comment-60206</link>
		<dc:creator>big_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 09:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And what about those of us that use Vista, but don&#039;t suffer? :-S</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And what about those of us that use Vista, but don&#8217;t suffer? :-S</p>
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		<title>By: Lonely</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lonely</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 08:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally, I&#039;d like to see all those who have suffered Vista be given a free upgrade to W7. The cost to M$ would be minimal as they rake it in with new PC sales, boot Vista into touch and save on the costs of keeping two to three OS&#039;s running concurrently. It ain&#039;tgoing to happen so I guess I&#039;ll just keep taking the medication. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally, I&#8217;d like to see all those who have suffered Vista be given a free upgrade to W7. The cost to M$ would be minimal as they rake it in with new PC sales, boot Vista into touch and save on the costs of keeping two to three OS&#8217;s running concurrently. It ain&#8217;tgoing to happen so I guess I&#8217;ll just keep taking the medication. <img src='http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John Hind</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/05/18/time-for-microsoft-to-name-its-windows-7-price/comment-page-1/#comment-59954</link>
		<dc:creator>John Hind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 15:52:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All I can say is that the price for upgrading from Vista had better be pretty negligible and certainly much lower than the price for upgrading from XP! If they kick those of us who have born the Vista pain by charging us the same as the XP hold-outs it will be the end of any good will I have left for Microsoft!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All I can say is that the price for upgrading from Vista had better be pretty negligible and certainly much lower than the price for upgrading from XP! If they kick those of us who have born the Vista pain by charging us the same as the XP hold-outs it will be the end of any good will I have left for Microsoft!</p>
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		<title>By: big_D</title>
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		<dc:creator>big_D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 14:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But why would it say how much Dell are paying? They, and probably HP, shift more machines than any other manufacturer, therefore they will be getting a better deal than, say, Lenovo or Acer, who get a better deal than Asus, who get a better deal than Medion, who get a better deal than YoYo Tech, who get a better deal than the system builder who builds a few machines a month or year, who get a better deal than retail...

My guess is that the prices for retail will stay pretty much the same, but they are trying to renegotiate with the big names, because they are, currently, selling less than expected.

Variable pricing, depending on the number of units you purchase. In the current recession / depression / economic crisis, whatever, the big OEMs will be shifting fewer PCs, so they will be buying fewer licences from Microsoft, so Microsoft will be trying to bump the unit price to the larger OEMs to make up the difference. The same will probably apply to Intel, nVidia and other component manufacturers, their unit prices will probably also be climbing for Dell and HP, because they are ordering fewer units... Which means Dell will have to raise their prices.

It is a vicious circle, the butt stops with the customer, but if we are buying fewer PCs, the manufacturers are buying fewer components, so they are paying more per component than before, and Windows *is* just another component of a complete PC.

This probably also explains why most of the smaller manufacturers, here, are advertising their PCs without the cost of Windows included, they will sell you a PC with Windows installed, if you want, but you&#039;ll have to pay another €120-150 on top of the advertised price.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But why would it say how much Dell are paying? They, and probably HP, shift more machines than any other manufacturer, therefore they will be getting a better deal than, say, Lenovo or Acer, who get a better deal than Asus, who get a better deal than Medion, who get a better deal than YoYo Tech, who get a better deal than the system builder who builds a few machines a month or year, who get a better deal than retail&#8230;</p>
<p>My guess is that the prices for retail will stay pretty much the same, but they are trying to renegotiate with the big names, because they are, currently, selling less than expected.</p>
<p>Variable pricing, depending on the number of units you purchase. In the current recession / depression / economic crisis, whatever, the big OEMs will be shifting fewer PCs, so they will be buying fewer licences from Microsoft, so Microsoft will be trying to bump the unit price to the larger OEMs to make up the difference. The same will probably apply to Intel, nVidia and other component manufacturers, their unit prices will probably also be climbing for Dell and HP, because they are ordering fewer units&#8230; Which means Dell will have to raise their prices.</p>
<p>It is a vicious circle, the butt stops with the customer, but if we are buying fewer PCs, the manufacturers are buying fewer components, so they are paying more per component than before, and Windows *is* just another component of a complete PC.</p>
<p>This probably also explains why most of the smaller manufacturers, here, are advertising their PCs without the cost of Windows included, they will sell you a PC with Windows installed, if you want, but you&#8217;ll have to pay another €120-150 on top of the advertised price.</p>
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