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		<title>By: Robbie</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/03/27/the-sound-of-a-silent-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-263014</link>
		<dc:creator>Robbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Feb 2011 13:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would I be able to convert my current PC into a silent PC easily enough by replacing the parts as required?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would I be able to convert my current PC into a silent PC easily enough by replacing the parts as required?</p>
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		<title>By: Computer support</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/03/27/the-sound-of-a-silent-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-110254</link>
		<dc:creator>Computer support</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Oct 2009 02:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, the bigger and slower fan, - there will be less noise. Don&#039;t save money on fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, the bigger and slower fan, &#8211; there will be less noise. Don&#8217;t save money on fans.</p>
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		<title>By: grappler</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/03/27/the-sound-of-a-silent-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-105712</link>
		<dc:creator>grappler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Sep 2009 18:57:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey I am on the same search and heat sink with 120 mm fans is the best way to cool your pc quietly. 
Great website:
www.buildsilentpc.com
The fans, hard disk and the optical drives make the most noise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I am on the same search and heat sink with 120 mm fans is the best way to cool your pc quietly.<br />
Great website:<br />
<a href="http://www.buildsilentpc.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.buildsilentpc.com</a><br />
The fans, hard disk and the optical drives make the most noise.</p>
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		<title>By: Justin</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/03/27/the-sound-of-a-silent-pc/comment-page-1/#comment-47751</link>
		<dc:creator>Justin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 17:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have recently been investigating making a HTPC / NAS / Web Server that would be always on. I would estimate that the HTPC/NAS box would spend a large amount of time doing nothing with some periods of activity, probably 8-10 to 1 ratio (idle to busy). Having an always on machine of course could be very expensive over the long term because 100Watts used 24x7 = almost 100 quid a year where i live. So reducing power footprint saves a decent wedge of cash while at the same time reduces the need for cooling. 
Less active cooling, less fans, less noise, less dust in the case :P

My research started at the power supply, and there are very few of those that have an efficiency of &gt;85% and fewer still of those that are fanless (or have a small fan that only comes on when a certain temperature is reached).

Next was the mobo/chipset/cpu. This is where things get complicated.... as far as I can tell only Intel supply power usage information about their chipsets. So I had to do quite a bit of research to find an acceptable feature set for a low power draw.
I like the look of a gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H coupled with a AMD Athlon x2 5050e (low power, 45W TDP) as the gigabyte has a IGP capable of 1080p over hdmi. I was worried that all those built in features will suck juice even when the PC is idle. But I was relieved to find a tech report website that measured power used by the mobo and a 4850e at less than 50watts on idle, and just over 100 full load. 
I wont be using this as my player for bluray as i have a great standalone, but i read that this board played high data rate blurays without stutter using a sempron.

Now I just need to get a couple of low power hard disks and set them up as raid-1 and I am almost all set (WD Green jobbies look like the ticket). I might even go one step further and get a SSD for the OS and apps so that the two hard disks can spin down, it would make the machine a lot more responsive as well. My thinking on that is that my family website + picture library etc would get hits often and getting them from a SSD would be instant whereas spinning up the WD disks to serve a page could be slow for the user. That leaves my raid for backup of family movies and snaps and other data that would be a pain in the backside to lose.

So, in closing, dont get quiet, get low power - its usually quiet by its very nature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have recently been investigating making a HTPC / NAS / Web Server that would be always on. I would estimate that the HTPC/NAS box would spend a large amount of time doing nothing with some periods of activity, probably 8-10 to 1 ratio (idle to busy). Having an always on machine of course could be very expensive over the long term because 100Watts used 24&#215;7 = almost 100 quid a year where i live. So reducing power footprint saves a decent wedge of cash while at the same time reduces the need for cooling.<br />
Less active cooling, less fans, less noise, less dust in the case <img src='http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>My research started at the power supply, and there are very few of those that have an efficiency of &gt;85% and fewer still of those that are fanless (or have a small fan that only comes on when a certain temperature is reached).</p>
<p>Next was the mobo/chipset/cpu. This is where things get complicated&#8230;. as far as I can tell only Intel supply power usage information about their chipsets. So I had to do quite a bit of research to find an acceptable feature set for a low power draw.<br />
I like the look of a gigabyte GA-MA78GM-S2H coupled with a AMD Athlon x2 5050e (low power, 45W TDP) as the gigabyte has a IGP capable of 1080p over hdmi. I was worried that all those built in features will suck juice even when the PC is idle. But I was relieved to find a tech report website that measured power used by the mobo and a 4850e at less than 50watts on idle, and just over 100 full load.<br />
I wont be using this as my player for bluray as i have a great standalone, but i read that this board played high data rate blurays without stutter using a sempron.</p>
<p>Now I just need to get a couple of low power hard disks and set them up as raid-1 and I am almost all set (WD Green jobbies look like the ticket). I might even go one step further and get a SSD for the OS and apps so that the two hard disks can spin down, it would make the machine a lot more responsive as well. My thinking on that is that my family website + picture library etc would get hits often and getting them from a SSD would be instant whereas spinning up the WD disks to serve a page could be slow for the user. That leaves my raid for backup of family movies and snaps and other data that would be a pain in the backside to lose.</p>
<p>So, in closing, dont get quiet, get low power &#8211; its usually quiet by its very nature.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Jennings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Jennings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 16:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John Hind - we recently saw a Raven chassis in the Labs and, while it&#039;s by no means perfect, seemed to be underpinned by good science. The notion of hot air rising seems to make sense in the context of PC cases, so it&#039;d be nice to see if anyone else will try and build a chassis to suit this approach. If you could point me towards any more successful cases then I&#039;d be a very happy man!

TiredGeek - plenty of good advice, thankyou! I&#039;ve recently been impressed by the Domino ALC water cooling system, so may go for that at some point in the future. I found that a powerful CPU was held at 35 degrees even when running through our benchmarks, so there&#039;s definite overclocking headroom too.

Peter - I heartily agree with your views on quietness. You wouldn&#039;t accept a loud laptop, and wouldn&#039;t accept a car that made dodgy noises, so I don&#039;t see why PC users have to put up with juddering, rumbling machines when they unpack their brand-new computers. It&#039;s a shame that quiet computing will only be achieved by those willing to spend extra cash and time tinkering, too. 

An EC standard for quiet computing would be interesting, too - how would you see that working? More relaxed boundaries if your machine is more powerful? :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John Hind &#8211; we recently saw a Raven chassis in the Labs and, while it&#8217;s by no means perfect, seemed to be underpinned by good science. The notion of hot air rising seems to make sense in the context of PC cases, so it&#8217;d be nice to see if anyone else will try and build a chassis to suit this approach. If you could point me towards any more successful cases then I&#8217;d be a very happy man!</p>
<p>TiredGeek &#8211; plenty of good advice, thankyou! I&#8217;ve recently been impressed by the Domino ALC water cooling system, so may go for that at some point in the future. I found that a powerful CPU was held at 35 degrees even when running through our benchmarks, so there&#8217;s definite overclocking headroom too.</p>
<p>Peter &#8211; I heartily agree with your views on quietness. You wouldn&#8217;t accept a loud laptop, and wouldn&#8217;t accept a car that made dodgy noises, so I don&#8217;t see why PC users have to put up with juddering, rumbling machines when they unpack their brand-new computers. It&#8217;s a shame that quiet computing will only be achieved by those willing to spend extra cash and time tinkering, too. </p>
<p>An EC standard for quiet computing would be interesting, too &#8211; how would you see that working? More relaxed boundaries if your machine is more powerful? :p</p>
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		<title>By: Peter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:21:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Quietness&quot; seems like an essential attribute these days.   As I write this I&#039;m in front of a bank of noisy servers, so when I go home I don&#039;t want to hear fans etc.

Stock CPU fans are a real pain in the ear, so removing them should help, though a slow fan cooling your CPU is no good if the bloody thing rattles &amp; viobrates when running slowly, as one of mine does....

There should be an EC &quot;standard&quot; for all manufactured PCs.  If my car has to be &quot;quiet&quot; then I&#039;m sure its not beyond the wit of man(&amp;woman)kind to produce quiet PCs.   

Whilst I could never condone paying the Mactax their all-in-ones are quiet, though they are also pretty gutless for anything requiring serious graphics or computational grunt (i.e. games).   The key to cooling is passing a decent volume of air over the heat-exchanger.  Big fans can shift larger volumes per rev than small ones but this is no use in a micro HTPC enclosure, but a good general rule when selecting a case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Quietness&#8221; seems like an essential attribute these days.   As I write this I&#8217;m in front of a bank of noisy servers, so when I go home I don&#8217;t want to hear fans etc.</p>
<p>Stock CPU fans are a real pain in the ear, so removing them should help, though a slow fan cooling your CPU is no good if the bloody thing rattles &amp; viobrates when running slowly, as one of mine does&#8230;.</p>
<p>There should be an EC &#8220;standard&#8221; for all manufactured PCs.  If my car has to be &#8220;quiet&#8221; then I&#8217;m sure its not beyond the wit of man(&amp;woman)kind to produce quiet PCs.   </p>
<p>Whilst I could never condone paying the Mactax their all-in-ones are quiet, though they are also pretty gutless for anything requiring serious graphics or computational grunt (i.e. games).   The key to cooling is passing a decent volume of air over the heat-exchanger.  Big fans can shift larger volumes per rev than small ones but this is no use in a micro HTPC enclosure, but a good general rule when selecting a case.</p>
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		<title>By: TiredGeek</title>
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		<dc:creator>TiredGeek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 14:10:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Replace any 80mm fans with 120mm slow fans (You can get a cheap 120-80mm adapter to allow fitting a 120mm to your heatsink if it&#039;s designed for the smaller fan).
Get a pack of Akasa soundproofing foam and cover the inside of the case with that. If you have any spare then cover the hard drives with it making a wind tunnel from the front fan over the drives.
If you have half a brain and your psu is out of warranty, pull it apart and either replace the fan with a quieter model or mod its wires to get it running on 7v.
Try to create a nice airflow through the case to pull cool air in at the bottom front and out at the rear top. Have a more powerful extractor fan than intake and remove the spare blank plates from pci slots to suck cool air across your cards.

Watercool everything if money is no object :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Replace any 80mm fans with 120mm slow fans (You can get a cheap 120-80mm adapter to allow fitting a 120mm to your heatsink if it&#8217;s designed for the smaller fan).<br />
Get a pack of Akasa soundproofing foam and cover the inside of the case with that. If you have any spare then cover the hard drives with it making a wind tunnel from the front fan over the drives.<br />
If you have half a brain and your psu is out of warranty, pull it apart and either replace the fan with a quieter model or mod its wires to get it running on 7v.<br />
Try to create a nice airflow through the case to pull cool air in at the bottom front and out at the rear top. Have a more powerful extractor fan than intake and remove the spare blank plates from pci slots to suck cool air across your cards.</p>
<p>Watercool everything if money is no object <img src='http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: John Hind</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Hind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 13:57:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I cannot understand why thermodynamic cooling is not more popular with case designers. With a better thought out layout, all components would be aligned vertically and there would be passive filtered air intakes at the bottom of the case and large, slow-running fans (if necessary) at the top of the case. The case would narrow slightly from bottom to top like a chimney, to increase airflow velocity and therefore volume. The motherboard should be oriented with the &quot;back&quot; plate at the top so graphic card(s) sit as blades in the airflow rather than obstructing it. Hard disks should sit on their sides like in professional rack mount cases for the same reason. Optical drives are a problem, but fortunately becoming less important and could reasonably be relegated to external boxes.

Silverstone tried this recently with their Raven RV01, but sadly they seemed to have botched it with an over-priced, ugly and poorly detailed implementation. But this does show it is possible and maybe we can hope for a better implementation in future?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I cannot understand why thermodynamic cooling is not more popular with case designers. With a better thought out layout, all components would be aligned vertically and there would be passive filtered air intakes at the bottom of the case and large, slow-running fans (if necessary) at the top of the case. The case would narrow slightly from bottom to top like a chimney, to increase airflow velocity and therefore volume. The motherboard should be oriented with the &#8220;back&#8221; plate at the top so graphic card(s) sit as blades in the airflow rather than obstructing it. Hard disks should sit on their sides like in professional rack mount cases for the same reason. Optical drives are a problem, but fortunately becoming less important and could reasonably be relegated to external boxes.</p>
<p>Silverstone tried this recently with their Raven RV01, but sadly they seemed to have botched it with an over-priced, ugly and poorly detailed implementation. But this does show it is possible and maybe we can hope for a better implementation in future?</p>
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		<title>By: Drew Graham</title>
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		<dc:creator>Drew Graham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll second the Quiet PC vote - I&#039;ve used them many times before and they&#039;re the most helpful staff I&#039;ve ever come across, even sending me some lost screws for a specific old AMD heatsink for free!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll second the Quiet PC vote &#8211; I&#8217;ve used them many times before and they&#8217;re the most helpful staff I&#8217;ve ever come across, even sending me some lost screws for a specific old AMD heatsink for free!</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 00:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve also been obsessed over the last few years with silencing my PC. I can&#039;t believe no one&#039;s mentioned silentpcreview.com (SPCR) yet.  This fantastic site is a huge source of information about all aspects of quieting your computer, and I can testify to the helpfulness of their forums if you need more specific input.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve also been obsessed over the last few years with silencing my PC. I can&#8217;t believe no one&#8217;s mentioned silentpcreview.com (SPCR) yet.  This fantastic site is a huge source of information about all aspects of quieting your computer, and I can testify to the helpfulness of their forums if you need more specific input.</p>
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