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	<title>Comments on: Flash Penetration: The Truth</title>
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		<title>By: Silverlight 3 - First Thoughts &#124; PC Pro blog</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/02/27/flash-penetration-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-55208</link>
		<dc:creator>Silverlight 3 - First Thoughts &#124; PC Pro blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 13:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] an established standard here with all-important and unbeatable market penetration (Flash has around 97% penetration compared to around 25% for Silverlight), what is the point of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] an established standard here with all-important and unbeatable market penetration (Flash has around 97% penetration compared to around 25% for Silverlight), what is the point of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Caz</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/02/27/flash-penetration-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-42604</link>
		<dc:creator>Caz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Mar 2009 14:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>96% of afghanistanis have flash player 10!

Awesome. If only the UK was so technologically advanced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>96% of afghanistanis have flash player 10!</p>
<p>Awesome. If only the UK was so technologically advanced.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Jahmarkt</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/02/27/flash-penetration-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-39361</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Jahmarkt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 11:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

Not exactly sure, but I think it must be a fairly decent sample size since using their filters and drill-downs, which serve to limit further, still results in adequate results. For example, taking the same Flash trend chart I linked to in my last post, but adding filters for just FireFox, running on MAC, referred from Google and in a residential IP block, the results here still look pretty valid:

http://www.statowl.com/flash_trend.php?timeframe=last_6&amp;interval=month&amp;chart_id=11&amp;fltr_br=Firefox&amp;fltr_os=Mac&amp;fltr_se=Google&amp;fltr_cn=Residential

As a matter of fact, it&#039;s actually kind of interesting to see how much slower MAC users are in updating to Flash 10 compared to Windows users. MAC shows 13.83% using Flash 10 in February (http://www.statowl.com/flash_trend.php?timeframe=last_6&amp;interval=month&amp;chart_id=11&amp;fltr_br=&amp;fltr_os=Mac&amp;fltr_se=&amp;fltr_cn=), while Windows is at 51.82% (http://www.statowl.com/flash_trend.php?timeframe=last_6&amp;interval=month&amp;chart_id=11&amp;fltr_br=&amp;fltr_os=Windows&amp;fltr_se=&amp;fltr_cn=)!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>Not exactly sure, but I think it must be a fairly decent sample size since using their filters and drill-downs, which serve to limit further, still results in adequate results. For example, taking the same Flash trend chart I linked to in my last post, but adding filters for just FireFox, running on MAC, referred from Google and in a residential IP block, the results here still look pretty valid:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.statowl.com/flash_trend.php?timeframe=last_6&amp;interval=month&amp;chart_id=11&amp;fltr_br=Firefox&amp;fltr_os=Mac&amp;fltr_se=Google&amp;fltr_cn=Residential" rel="nofollow">http://www.statowl.com/flash_trend.php?timeframe=last_6&amp;interval=month&amp;chart_id=11&amp;fltr_br=Firefox&amp;fltr_os=Mac&amp;fltr_se=Google&amp;fltr_cn=Residential</a></p>
<p>As a matter of fact, it&#8217;s actually kind of interesting to see how much slower MAC users are in updating to Flash 10 compared to Windows users. MAC shows 13.83% using Flash 10 in February (<a href="http://www.statowl.com/flash_trend.php?timeframe=last_6&amp;interval=month&amp;chart_id=11&amp;fltr_br=&amp;fltr_os=Mac&amp;fltr_se=&amp;fltr_cn=)" rel="nofollow">http://www.statowl.com/flash_trend.php?timeframe=last_6&amp;interval=month&amp;chart_id=11&amp;fltr_br=&amp;fltr_os=Mac&amp;fltr_se=&amp;fltr_cn=)</a>, while Windows is at 51.82% (<a href="http://www.statowl.com/flash_trend.php?timeframe=last_6&amp;interval=month&amp;chart_id=11&amp;fltr_br=&amp;fltr_os=Windows&amp;fltr_se=&amp;fltr_cn=)" rel="nofollow">http://www.statowl.com/flash_trend.php?timeframe=last_6&amp;interval=month&amp;chart_id=11&amp;fltr_br=&amp;fltr_os=Windows&amp;fltr_se=&amp;fltr_cn=)</a>!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Arah</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/02/27/flash-penetration-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-39338</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Arah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 09:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Richard. Very useful graph and site all round. Do you know how wide the sample is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Richard. Very useful graph and site all round. Do you know how wide the sample is?</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Jahmarkt</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/02/27/flash-penetration-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-39263</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Jahmarkt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 02:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom,

It actually looks like they haveFlash 10 usage at 48.3% for February. The link I sent is for the past 6 months which shows an average of 31.6%. It&#039;s a little easier to see visually using their trend charting:
http://www.statowl.com/flash_trend.php?1=1&amp;timeframe=last_6&amp;interval=month&amp;chart_id=13&amp;fltr_br=&amp;fltr_os=&amp;fltr_se=&amp;fltr_cn=&amp;chart_id=11</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,</p>
<p>It actually looks like they haveFlash 10 usage at 48.3% for February. The link I sent is for the past 6 months which shows an average of 31.6%. It&#8217;s a little easier to see visually using their trend charting:<br />
<a href="http://www.statowl.com/flash_trend.php?1=1&amp;timeframe=last_6&amp;interval=month&amp;chart_id=13&amp;fltr_br=&amp;fltr_os=&amp;fltr_se=&amp;fltr_cn=&amp;chart_id=11" rel="nofollow">http://www.statowl.com/flash_trend.php?1=1&amp;timeframe=last_6&amp;interval=month&amp;chart_id=13&amp;fltr_br=&amp;fltr_os=&amp;fltr_se=&amp;fltr_cn=&amp;chart_id=11</a></p>
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		<title>By: Tom Arah</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/02/27/flash-penetration-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-39129</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Arah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 17:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Travis: Congratulations on the site - definitely worth bookmarking. And the candle stick chart sounds a good idea - you really just need a way of reassuring users that the stats aren&#039;t derived from Adobe.com and a few blogs :-)

And in a comment on my previous post Richard Jahmarkt has recommended http://www.statowl.com/flash.php for player tracking - also Flash-based incidentally - which currently gives a very similar overall figure but surprisingly low version 10 penetration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Travis: Congratulations on the site &#8211; definitely worth bookmarking. And the candle stick chart sounds a good idea &#8211; you really just need a way of reassuring users that the stats aren&#8217;t derived from Adobe.com and a few blogs <img src='http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And in a comment on my previous post Richard Jahmarkt has recommended <a href="http://www.statowl.com/flash.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.statowl.com/flash.php</a> for player tracking &#8211; also Flash-based incidentally &#8211; which currently gives a very similar overall figure but surprisingly low version 10 penetration.</p>
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		<title>By: Travis Collins</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/02/27/flash-penetration-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-38778</link>
		<dc:creator>Travis Collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 05:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I made RIAStats. 

Good catch on the misspelling in the title! Whooops! 

I&#039;ve thought long and hard about releasing the list of sites that collect the RIAStats information, but the cons far out weigh the pros. The biggest reason I havn&#039;t released the list, is that I don&#039;t want to make public the private traffic statistics of each site. That information could affect their advertising and valuation revenues, and that&#039;s just something I&#039;m not willing to do. 

I have plans to make the data more transparent. I think the first thing I&#039;ll do is create a a candle stick chart to show the variations of statistics collected across the sites (listed anonymously). 

I understand people&#039;s perception that because the site was made with Adobe Flex (and plays in Flash player), that the site might therefore be biased towards Adobe. But I can assure you I have no bias towards any technology or company. I made the site to help answer questions, not to create debate. Anyone can add the RIAStats.com 5 line javascript to their site. Site owners receive a customized RIAStats interface. 

I&#039;m glad you could make use of RIAStats. Please feel free to drop me a line on Twitter if you have any questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I made RIAStats. </p>
<p>Good catch on the misspelling in the title! Whooops! </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve thought long and hard about releasing the list of sites that collect the RIAStats information, but the cons far out weigh the pros. The biggest reason I havn&#8217;t released the list, is that I don&#8217;t want to make public the private traffic statistics of each site. That information could affect their advertising and valuation revenues, and that&#8217;s just something I&#8217;m not willing to do. </p>
<p>I have plans to make the data more transparent. I think the first thing I&#8217;ll do is create a a candle stick chart to show the variations of statistics collected across the sites (listed anonymously). </p>
<p>I understand people&#8217;s perception that because the site was made with Adobe Flex (and plays in Flash player), that the site might therefore be biased towards Adobe. But I can assure you I have no bias towards any technology or company. I made the site to help answer questions, not to create debate. Anyone can add the RIAStats.com 5 line javascript to their site. Site owners receive a customized RIAStats interface. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you could make use of RIAStats. Please feel free to drop me a line on Twitter if you have any questions.</p>
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		<title>By: David Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/02/27/flash-penetration-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-38554</link>
		<dc:creator>David Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Mar 2009 12:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmm, riastats doesn&#039;t work, I have scripting disabled and don&#039;t have Flash! :-D

Silverlight offers some things that Flash doesn&#039;t, but one of its biggest advantages, for the technically minded, is that it is XML based, so is, theoretically, much more open than Flash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm, riastats doesn&#8217;t work, I have scripting disabled and don&#8217;t have Flash! <img src='http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Silverlight offers some things that Flash doesn&#8217;t, but one of its biggest advantages, for the technically minded, is that it is XML based, so is, theoretically, much more open than Flash.</p>
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		<title>By: John Dowdell</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2009/02/27/flash-penetration-the-truth/comment-page-1/#comment-38072</link>
		<dc:creator>John Dowdell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Tom, riastats.com has usually trailed the Millward-Brown consumer audits, even though they&#039;ve shown the same curves.

Part of that is because Millward-Brown measures consumer capabilities, while riastats.com measures the audiences of particular websites. If one person out of fifty visits a site by a mobile phone, that would suffice for the gap.

James&#039; advice about testing your site&#039;s particular audience is right-on. The MB audits just show general consumer trends.


&lt;em&gt;&quot;... the truly ubiquitous HTML....&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Less than a quarter of us have Internet access:
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm

Phone networks have wider reach, but it&#039;s harder for us to display these lower-cost devices. It will come, though. :)

jd/adobe</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Tom, riastats.com has usually trailed the Millward-Brown consumer audits, even though they&#8217;ve shown the same curves.</p>
<p>Part of that is because Millward-Brown measures consumer capabilities, while riastats.com measures the audiences of particular websites. If one person out of fifty visits a site by a mobile phone, that would suffice for the gap.</p>
<p>James&#8217; advice about testing your site&#8217;s particular audience is right-on. The MB audits just show general consumer trends.</p>
<p><em>&#8220;&#8230; the truly ubiquitous HTML&#8230;.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Less than a quarter of us have Internet access:<br />
<a href="http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm</a></p>
<p>Phone networks have wider reach, but it&#8217;s harder for us to display these lower-cost devices. It will come, though. <img src='http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>jd/adobe</p>
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		<title>By: technogeist</title>
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		<dc:creator>technogeist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 23:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But it isn&#039;t TRULY cross platform.

Open source has had to develop one separately.
So, just like mono, it will always lag behind with support for version X.xx

This is never good for consumers, whether they&#039;re on Linux, MacOS, Solaris/OpenSolaris or Windows.

Fragmentation and the f**k you mentality is still preferred by Microsoft. They spoil the fun.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it isn&#8217;t TRULY cross platform.</p>
<p>Open source has had to develop one separately.<br />
So, just like mono, it will always lag behind with support for version X.xx</p>
<p>This is never good for consumers, whether they&#8217;re on Linux, MacOS, Solaris/OpenSolaris or Windows.</p>
<p>Fragmentation and the f**k you mentality is still preferred by Microsoft. They spoil the fun.</p>
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