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		<title>By: Jori Hans</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/11/27/playlists-killed-the-classic-album/comment-page-1/#comment-19908</link>
		<dc:creator>Jori Hans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 23:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The article fails to mention the big rip-off that has taken place for the past 50 years. 9 in 10 albums or more are not complete artistic expressions of great musical visions but pure commercial outputs from contracts whereby artist are required to produce x number of albums within a given time frame. This is what gives all the forgettable filler material on most albums. Consumers of course have to pay for the crap as well. Now we&#039;re getting back to old ways of buying music - song by song - or single by single. That is what you really want anyway. My hope is more great songs being released by the time the artist got inspired. It might be 3 great songs a year or nothing or 10. Income will probably go down with less content sold but then music can get back to the true value of music - playing it live to a paying audience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article fails to mention the big rip-off that has taken place for the past 50 years. 9 in 10 albums or more are not complete artistic expressions of great musical visions but pure commercial outputs from contracts whereby artist are required to produce x number of albums within a given time frame. This is what gives all the forgettable filler material on most albums. Consumers of course have to pay for the crap as well. Now we&#8217;re getting back to old ways of buying music &#8211; song by song &#8211; or single by single. That is what you really want anyway. My hope is more great songs being released by the time the artist got inspired. It might be 3 great songs a year or nothing or 10. Income will probably go down with less content sold but then music can get back to the true value of music &#8211; playing it live to a paying audience.</p>
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		<title>By: muck</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/11/27/playlists-killed-the-classic-album/comment-page-1/#comment-19884</link>
		<dc:creator>muck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 23:57:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The iTunes thing seems quite pricey too. I bought the entire GN&#039;R album from 7digital for £5. Maybe that&#039;s why a lot of them are only buying the 1st track.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The iTunes thing seems quite pricey too. I bought the entire GN&#8217;R album from 7digital for £5. Maybe that&#8217;s why a lot of them are only buying the 1st track.</p>
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		<title>By: Peterwgtennant</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/11/27/playlists-killed-the-classic-album/comment-page-1/#comment-19878</link>
		<dc:creator>Peterwgtennant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 22:51:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this such a modern phenomenon? People have been shunning the second, third and fourth movements of Beethoven&#039;s Symphony Number Five for a long time, yet I imagine he&#039;d be horrified if he knew we weren&#039;t listening to it in its entirely. There will always be a rift between the artist, and their fans (who feel the art should be fully experienced) and the general public (who want their pleasure finely distilled).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this such a modern phenomenon? People have been shunning the second, third and fourth movements of Beethoven&#8217;s Symphony Number Five for a long time, yet I imagine he&#8217;d be horrified if he knew we weren&#8217;t listening to it in its entirely. There will always be a rift between the artist, and their fans (who feel the art should be fully experienced) and the general public (who want their pleasure finely distilled).</p>
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		<title>By: Lise</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/11/27/playlists-killed-the-classic-album/comment-page-1/#comment-19857</link>
		<dc:creator>Lise</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:01:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been considering this further, Dave, and I think there&#039;s two considerations I have against the premature announcement of the death of the classic album. First, I think it&#039;s no particular novelty that a lead single from an album should outsell the other album tracks as an individual purchase. I think it&#039;s quite natural for fans to buy the track that comes out first, in either a physical or download format, and decide on that basis whether to purchase the rest of the album. 

My house is full of 7&quot; singles which trailed album releases by bands in which I was interested - sometimes I bought the album, and sometimes I didn&#039;t. Either way, I don&#039;t think that a lead single selling independently from or additionally to the whole album from which it comes spells the death of the album. 

The second thing is that I think the creation and consumption of either singles or albums as a leading format is a trend that moves in circles. In the 1960s, the single record was king and bands recorded albums in a short space of time to keep the singles shifting. In the 70s, artists became more interested in producing concept albums and multi-side LPs (although anyone who ever purchased Metal Machine Music may question if this was a good move). Come the 80s, singles sold strongly again, with many No 1s selling over a million copies, and albums were not considered so important by bandsor their fans. Then again in the 90s, the classic album returned to the fore. The current interest in the singeas a format is no indicator that the album is gone for good - I&#039;m happy to think it&#039;ll be back in a few years&#039; time.

Not so long ago, the passing of the single format was everywhere mourned. Now, artists are once again interested in short-format music, and the public are happy to consume in a pick-n-mix kind of a way, a single here and a single there. I think it&#039;s certainly true that the rise of download purchases facilitates this, but I neither think of downloads as the cause or the sustainer of  the trend. The single is not dead, and neither is the ambum - they&#039;re just taking their rightful turns in the spotlight, as they always have done, and will do.

I also think that public excitement over The Killers&#039; new album is evidence in favour of the continuing life and relevance of the long-player for those who wish it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been considering this further, Dave, and I think there&#8217;s two considerations I have against the premature announcement of the death of the classic album. First, I think it&#8217;s no particular novelty that a lead single from an album should outsell the other album tracks as an individual purchase. I think it&#8217;s quite natural for fans to buy the track that comes out first, in either a physical or download format, and decide on that basis whether to purchase the rest of the album. </p>
<p>My house is full of 7&#8243; singles which trailed album releases by bands in which I was interested &#8211; sometimes I bought the album, and sometimes I didn&#8217;t. Either way, I don&#8217;t think that a lead single selling independently from or additionally to the whole album from which it comes spells the death of the album. </p>
<p>The second thing is that I think the creation and consumption of either singles or albums as a leading format is a trend that moves in circles. In the 1960s, the single record was king and bands recorded albums in a short space of time to keep the singles shifting. In the 70s, artists became more interested in producing concept albums and multi-side LPs (although anyone who ever purchased Metal Machine Music may question if this was a good move). Come the 80s, singles sold strongly again, with many No 1s selling over a million copies, and albums were not considered so important by bandsor their fans. Then again in the 90s, the classic album returned to the fore. The current interest in the singeas a format is no indicator that the album is gone for good &#8211; I&#8217;m happy to think it&#8217;ll be back in a few years&#8217; time.</p>
<p>Not so long ago, the passing of the single format was everywhere mourned. Now, artists are once again interested in short-format music, and the public are happy to consume in a pick-n-mix kind of a way, a single here and a single there. I think it&#8217;s certainly true that the rise of download purchases facilitates this, but I neither think of downloads as the cause or the sustainer of  the trend. The single is not dead, and neither is the ambum &#8211; they&#8217;re just taking their rightful turns in the spotlight, as they always have done, and will do.</p>
<p>I also think that public excitement over The Killers&#8217; new album is evidence in favour of the continuing life and relevance of the long-player for those who wish it!</p>
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		<title>By: Gavin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gavin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:32:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At the risk of sounding like a nerdy audio-ponce, I think the prevalence of cheap and nasty &quot;hi-fi&quot; equipment does not help the album&#039;s cause either.  Cheap hi-fi is fatiguing to listen to - after a short while you just end up with the feeling of wanting to turn the music off.  Not conducive to extended listening.  MP3&#039;s with a huge percentage of the audio information removed exacerbate this problem.

However, maybe people would be more likely to buy the full album if they could get more than a 30 second preview of each track.  How about a full one time listen through the entire album?  I think too many albums only contain 1 or 2 decent tracks, leading to the cherry picking we see.  This doesn&#039;t help the few artists who genuinely are putting out whole albums of quality material.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the risk of sounding like a nerdy audio-ponce, I think the prevalence of cheap and nasty &#8220;hi-fi&#8221; equipment does not help the album&#8217;s cause either.  Cheap hi-fi is fatiguing to listen to &#8211; after a short while you just end up with the feeling of wanting to turn the music off.  Not conducive to extended listening.  MP3&#8217;s with a huge percentage of the audio information removed exacerbate this problem.</p>
<p>However, maybe people would be more likely to buy the full album if they could get more than a 30 second preview of each track.  How about a full one time listen through the entire album?  I think too many albums only contain 1 or 2 decent tracks, leading to the cherry picking we see.  This doesn&#8217;t help the few artists who genuinely are putting out whole albums of quality material.</p>
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		<title>By: cerebros</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/11/27/playlists-killed-the-classic-album/comment-page-1/#comment-19608</link>
		<dc:creator>cerebros</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 20:53:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I think the death of the album is down to the fact that no-one makes a set of ten or twelve tracks worth listening to.  You&#039;re normally lucky if there&#039;s anything decent on an album other than the singles.  That&#039;s why I either buy greatest hits or compilation albums, or wait until the CD is going cheap.

(And no, I don&#039;t buy mp3&#039;s or other intangible music - I prefer to have control of the music I buy)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I think the death of the album is down to the fact that no-one makes a set of ten or twelve tracks worth listening to.  You&#8217;re normally lucky if there&#8217;s anything decent on an album other than the singles.  That&#8217;s why I either buy greatest hits or compilation albums, or wait until the CD is going cheap.</p>
<p>(And no, I don&#8217;t buy mp3&#8217;s or other intangible music &#8211; I prefer to have control of the music I buy)</p>
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		<title>By: yehudi menuhin</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/11/27/playlists-killed-the-classic-album/comment-page-1/#comment-19527</link>
		<dc:creator>yehudi menuhin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 14:55:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the death of the album has been a long and particularly slow one. It&#039;s only now that everyone&#039;s begun to strop about it, however. The 60/70 minute playing time of CDs long exceeded the average persons attention span and was, in my opinion, the herald of inexorable demise for the album. 

Personally, I like nothing better than dusting off my old Led Zeppelin vinyl and listening to them exactly as God, or John Bonham - whichever deity you prefer - intended. Vinyl, , with its 20ish minute-a-side playing time, was perfect. Listen to half the album, get up, wander over to the turntable, turn the vinyl over, dust it off and enjoy the second half.

Of course, some of it comes down to the music makers. Many artists mistake their &#039;best&#039; 8 to 12 songs as an album just because they cumulatively last about 40 minutes or so. And, thanks to the democratisation of music-production - now everyone with a PC/Mac has a music studio in their own home-  the number of truly great albums is being diluted even further.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the death of the album has been a long and particularly slow one. It&#8217;s only now that everyone&#8217;s begun to strop about it, however. The 60/70 minute playing time of CDs long exceeded the average persons attention span and was, in my opinion, the herald of inexorable demise for the album. </p>
<p>Personally, I like nothing better than dusting off my old Led Zeppelin vinyl and listening to them exactly as God, or John Bonham &#8211; whichever deity you prefer &#8211; intended. Vinyl, , with its 20ish minute-a-side playing time, was perfect. Listen to half the album, get up, wander over to the turntable, turn the vinyl over, dust it off and enjoy the second half.</p>
<p>Of course, some of it comes down to the music makers. Many artists mistake their &#8216;best&#8217; 8 to 12 songs as an album just because they cumulatively last about 40 minutes or so. And, thanks to the democratisation of music-production &#8211; now everyone with a PC/Mac has a music studio in their own home-  the number of truly great albums is being diluted even further.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ockenden</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/11/27/playlists-killed-the-classic-album/comment-page-1/#comment-19515</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul Ockenden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re my earlier post, can&#039;t find the clip but here&#039;s a news report:

http://archive.oxfordmail.net/2006/9/7/104358.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re my earlier post, can&#8217;t find the clip but here&#8217;s a news report:</p>
<p><a href="http://archive.oxfordmail.net/2006/9/7/104358.html" rel="nofollow">http://archive.oxfordmail.net/2006/9/7/104358.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: David W</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/11/27/playlists-killed-the-classic-album/comment-page-1/#comment-19485</link>
		<dc:creator>David W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 12:03:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Over here (Germany), after the radio news, they are not allowed to play English (or other foreign language) tracks, because they have had a few bloopers over the years while the DJs don&#039;t always understand the lyrics of foreign language songs and have ended up offending people!

That said, Zappa&#039;s &quot;Bobby Brown&quot; seems to be one of the most popular tracks from the 80s, yet nobody finds it appalling - until I actually translate the lyrics for them!

I would say 99% of my music listening is the radio in the car, which is usually a mish mash of the &quot;best of the 80s, 90s and today&quot; - although the 80s seems to have consisted of around 15 or 20 tracks... :-S

I like the principle of albums, but generally I only have time to listen to one or two tracks anyway, or I only like one or two tracks from an album... Likewise, if you are at a party, in a club, listening to the radio etc. most people don&#039;t want to listen to an hour of music from one artist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Over here (Germany), after the radio news, they are not allowed to play English (or other foreign language) tracks, because they have had a few bloopers over the years while the DJs don&#8217;t always understand the lyrics of foreign language songs and have ended up offending people!</p>
<p>That said, Zappa&#8217;s &#8220;Bobby Brown&#8221; seems to be one of the most popular tracks from the 80s, yet nobody finds it appalling &#8211; until I actually translate the lyrics for them!</p>
<p>I would say 99% of my music listening is the radio in the car, which is usually a mish mash of the &#8220;best of the 80s, 90s and today&#8221; &#8211; although the 80s seems to have consisted of around 15 or 20 tracks&#8230; :-S</p>
<p>I like the principle of albums, but generally I only have time to listen to one or two tracks anyway, or I only like one or two tracks from an album&#8230; Likewise, if you are at a party, in a club, listening to the radio etc. most people don&#8217;t want to listen to an hour of music from one artist.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul Ockenden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Paul Ockenden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re. David&#039;s point about playlist based radio, the worst example I ever heard was a clip from BBC Radio Oxford (which you can probably still find if you Google it).

There was a news report about that tragic case where a dad on holiday leapt from an upper story window with his kids, but the dad survived. It was a very sombre news report.

But then the playlist machine kicked in, and it was impossible to mistake to the opening bars of Van Halen&#039;s &#039;Jump&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re. David&#8217;s point about playlist based radio, the worst example I ever heard was a clip from BBC Radio Oxford (which you can probably still find if you Google it).</p>
<p>There was a news report about that tragic case where a dad on holiday leapt from an upper story window with his kids, but the dad survived. It was a very sombre news report.</p>
<p>But then the playlist machine kicked in, and it was impossible to mistake to the opening bars of Van Halen&#8217;s &#8216;Jump&#8217;.</p>
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