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Posted on October 28th, 2008 by Barry Collins

Windows 7: the user interface

The most obvious change to Windows 7 is the revamped Windows desktop. The Taskbar has been completely redesigned, with the text descriptions of open windows replaced with large icons of the open applications. It’s an idea that has clearly gleaned more than a little inspiration from the Mac OS X Dock, but it goes further than the Apple concept.

Windows 7 taskbar

Windows 7 jumplistRight click on an application’s icon – or swipe a finger upwards from it if you’re using the new touchscreen controls – and a “jumplist” opens. The jumplist provides a list of recent documents accessed in Word, for example, or recent sites visited in Internet Explorer, allowing you to open them with a single click. The jumplists can also be populated with commands, such as selecting a playlist from Windows Media Player. Microsoft has published a new API that will allow software makers to tailor the jumplists to their applications, and this has the potential to become a great timesaver.

The new Taskbar also comes into play when you plug a digital camera, MP3 player, or other peripheral into the PC. Instead of the old Autoplay prompt, a digital camera icon will show in the Taskbar. From here you can select options to import photos into editing software, for example, or kickstart a slideshow of your pictures.

As well as the thumbnail previews of tabs that were first introduced in Windows Vista, the new Taskbar provides full-screen previews when you hover over the thumbnail preview with the mouse. This feature could be pretty handy for a quick glance at an email, whilst you enter data into a web form for example, although it doesn’t really save much time compared to simply switching Windows if you’re proficient with keyboard shortcuts. More useful is the option to simply drag programs from the Start menu straight on to the Taskbar.

One clever new option is the ability to drag a window to the side of another open window, triggering them to automatically snap into place side-by-side with one another. This comes into its own when trying to compare two documents, taking full advantage of the horizontal space offered on widescreen displays.

Windows 7 side by side

Windows 7 includes other gesture-like controls. Drag a window to the top of the screen and it automatically blows the window into full-screen mode – a shortcut that we suspect will take a little getting used to. Hover the mouse to the far-right of the new Taskbar, meanwhile, and all of your windows become transparent, providing a clean view of the desktop.

Control freaks, meanwhile, will be delighted that Taskbar items can now be juggled into whichever order you wish, allowing you to always keep your email in the far-left tab, for example, even if it was opened after another application.

Gadgets and glass

The gadgets introduced in Windows Vista are retained in Windows 7, but they are no longer imprisoned on the far right of the screen, and can be dragged and dropped anywhere you fancy on the desktop. “We see the market moving heavily to laptops – that’s a lot of screen real estate to lose,” said Linda Averett, group program manager for core user experience of Windows, explaining the decision to let gadgets roam free.

Windows 7 gadgets

Microsoft has also made the look and feel of the desktop much more customisable. Averett claimed that 30% of Windows Vista users went as far as changing the colour of the Aero glass, and so the company has decided to give interior designers their head, by allowing them to save different colour schemes for different seasons, for example. PC manufacturers will also be able to toy with the glass, so expect cobalt blue windows from Dell and shiny black edges from Sony in the future.

System Tray

“We have received volumes of feedback on the System Tray,” Averett claimed, and none of it good, we suspect. Consequently, Microsoft has decided to minimise the number of times the System Tray screams for attention with annoying pop-ups and flashing icons.

When an application adds itself to the System Tray, it automatically goes into a new overflow area, allowing you to decide if you want it to display permanently or not. There’s also a new Action Center that queues up all those infuriating Windows Update and other maintenance messages, meaning you’re not interrupted every two minutes with another meaningless reminder, and can review them in your own time.

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105 Responses to “ Windows 7: the user interface ”

  1. RichyS Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 5:02 pm

    So, basically MS are implementing all the stuff that has made OS X nice for so long (including large portions of the ‘jump list’).

    Here’s hoping they get rid of UAC with all the other annoying nag boxes that pop up in Vista.

     
  2. Auffrand Jean-Paul Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 5:09 pm

    Good to hear of Windows 7, thank you for keeping us informed.
    Question: what if MS finally launched an OS that WORKS WELL immediately ? I mean, an OS that starts every morning, that copes well with USB, is fast and reliable, and does NOT oblige ordinary users to change habits every time they change computers?
    THAT would draw a sigh of relief from all those who have nothing to do with transparent windows and other useless stuff.
    Yours sincerely
    J-P Auffrand (Dijon, France)

     
  3. all4nothing Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 5:13 pm

    Anyone else think that the new interface has a more than passing resemblance to the Gnome/Fedora desktop…?

     
  4. michael clark Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 5:24 pm

    I hope that there are many changes in store for windows live, I personaly would like it to be removed and we could chose to use diffrent parts of it or none. As I find it over bearing in many ways.

     
  5. Jimmy Zimms Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 5:28 pm

    Completely incorrect:

    “The gadgets introduced in Windows Vista are retained in Windows 7, but they are no longer imprisoned on the far right of the screen, and can be dragged and dropped anywhere you fancy on the desktop. “

    You’ve been able to do that since they first appeared in Vista.

     
  6. Nick G Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 5:38 pm

    > Here’s hoping they get rid of UAC with all the other annoying nag boxes

    You can get rid of that in Vista – just turn it off.

    > the new interface has a more than passing resemblance to the Gnome/Fedora desktop…

    Not very surprising, since Gnome took it’s design from Windows in the first place (hence the start button, system tray, task bar clock etc etc etc).

     
  7. Skulluminati Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    Compiz Fusion …

     
  8. Sergio Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 5:41 pm

    Yawn. Microsoft’s stuff once again is a bundle of prior art. Yep, those guys sure know how to “innovate”.

    Ten years of not using Microsoft products and loving every minute.

     
  9. Tony Horne Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 5:43 pm

    Thank god for somthing nromal, it looks a lot better than Vista and more to what we are used to I am looking forward to it

     
  10. Micael Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 5:46 pm

    Jimmy, not all of them. Infact many of the ones which come with vista are just boring and static as can be- a complete waste of resources and screen space. If they’re bundling something with that can actually work, then I may even keep it turned on.

    Oh and finally, if I see one more box screaming for attention I think I’m reposition my screen so I can’t see the taskbar anymore. It’s as annoying as Leopard’s “bouncing” icons.

    Not too sure about the entirely glass look, might be a bit too open for me. But hey, I guess I’ll find out when beta one comes out :) .

     
  11. Reid Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 5:53 pm

    I know lots of people hate the OS X dock, but I always though the taskbar was monumentally stupid. If you run more than a few apps you can’t read the titles, and you need to augment the task bar with quick launch icons if you want to be able to start anything easily (short of using the start menu or exposing the desktop), and the system tray is a disaster in every way.

    Simplifying things to combine quicklaunch with task bar is a great first step. I’d like to see them do away with the system tray entirely. I’m not sure how it could best be fixed; I’m not sure if they could get rid of it, but I sure never find myself using OS X and wondering “where is that useful system tray?”

    I always thought the app launching and task switching metaphor was one of the absolute worst failures of Windows.

    Next up, they should on consolidating administrative tools and control panels so that the functions are only accessed thru ONE path rather than several possible paths, and so that the functions are logically consistent in how they’re organized.

     
  12. bmimatt Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 5:56 pm

    Looks like the M$ people are desperately trying to catch up with simple features available on OS X and X windows for quite a while. How about focusing on creating a solid OS, one that does not make people wonder if it will work right out of the box? It would be a nice thing to do for the people who probably do not even get their hopes up anymore when installiing a new M$ OS.

    Cheers,
    M$ -> Linux -> OS X Convert.

     
  13. Chris Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 5:57 pm

    Wow that’s hot. It looks almost as good as Android!

    I guess the graphic designers get brought in at the last minute, when the product is ready to ship. :-p

     
  14. Mike Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 5:59 pm

    Wow. I mean, completely and totally wow.

    Gotta hand it to Microsoft on this one – they’ve got a great business plan: let Apple pay for the R&D, and all they have to do is sit back and duplicate (oh sorry, I meant “innovate”) the OS X UI and featureset.

    So really, their behaviour hasn’t changed since the original version of Windows.

     
  15. Ron Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 6:02 pm

    >So, basically MS are implementing all the stuff that has made OS X nice for so long (including large portions of the ‘jump list’).

    Not precisely a mac head — my own computers run XP — we have a couple of old G4’s so my daughter can do her schoolwork. But I note that OSX has these features *and* also provides a reasonable experience on a 466 Mhz processor. I think it’s good that M$ is trying to get Windows 7 running on netbooks, but the fact that *they’re* pleased with the response doesn’t necessarily mean that *you* will be pleased.

    I make a living working on computers, and I have several at home of various types. But none, not one, are fast enough to reasonably run Vista. And with the economy tanking, I’m not really in the market for high end hardware. If Windows 7 has even close to Vista requirements *for a reasonable experience*, (not just “it’ll boot”) it’s simply not viable. The era of everyone running out and buying white hot processors is so over.

     
  16. Bishounen Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 6:03 pm

    all4nothing: > the new interface has a more than passing resemblance to the Gnome/Fedora desktop…

    Nick G: >Not very surprising, since Gnome took it’s design from Windows in the first place (hence the start button, system tray, task bar clock etc etc etc).

    I was actually thinking that the “window snap” and “all windows translucent” features reminded me VERY much of Compiz or Beryl. My Ubuntu laptop with Compiz Fusion does this RIGHT NOW. No need to wait for Win7. Of course, Compiz fusion does all sorts of other cool stuff, like window bending, multiple min-max effects, Oh, and the cube desktop that Windows will likely NEVER have, as it can’t support multiple desktops simultaneously like Linux can NATIVELY .

    Oh, and Nick, You’re an idiot who has NEVER seen the Gnome interface, apparently. Gnome doesn’t HAVE a “start” button by default, it uses a Twin-taskbar, triple menu layout similar to mac 9. You show your ignorance in claiming that Gnome, which looks nothing like Windows, somehow took it’s design cues from it.

    Indeed, Windows originally took many of it’s design cues from Mac, and just pushed the task bar down to the bottom instead of floating it up top. The “system tray” concept was a XEROX invention from the 1980’s, and all the fancy “3D” effects are from OSX and Beryl. There is a REASON that Microsoft uses the expression “Embrace and Extend”. They don’t HAVE original ideas, they just cherry-pick the ones they like and re-paint them to look “original”. Once again, Windows is about 2-3 years behind OSX and the Open Source community. About the only they they ARE original with… Is marketing.

    But go ahead and swallow that Microsoft load like a good little fanboy Nick G. Just don’t forget to wipe your chin. Winjizz gets sticky.

     
  17. Peter M Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 6:04 pm

    I will welcome Windows 7 as long as it is more stable ’straight out of the box’ and does not behave like Vista which requires a re-boot every day or so.

    Also I can’t afford to yet again replace my hardware to the high end PC or laptop that seems to to be required for Vista to run smoothly although my six month old laptop came with Vista basic it should have had XP or the choice or downgrading to XP, manufacturers (OEM’s) should learn from mistakes made and not assume we all want the latest shiny offering from Microsoft until it’s obtained a proven record.

     
  18. steve Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 6:05 pm

    bmimatt, you regurgitate the same crap everyone’s been hearing forever now.

    the hard fact of the computer world is your Strategic Advantage does not last very long. (i.e. how long you can have a cool idea before others copy it)

    Just because Apple innovates in some areas, does not mean everything they do is somehow spectacular. The .Net frameowork is just one example where Microsoft shines above everyone else. If you knew anything about development you would know that. Java is the closest competitor to .Net, and they are decades behind.

    Microsoft is what spawned millions and millions of tech jobs throughout the WORLD, it created an entire Industry on paying Developers well.

    Open source can lick my ass, Closed Source for life.

     
  19. Bongart Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    Odd that so many who don’t use MS products, or don’t use an MS operating system, are posting comments on Windows 7. If they are so happy away from MS, why the need to comment? Sketchy…

    Aside from that…

    This does look nice… and incredibly RAM intensive. I’ve always thought of the OS as the interface used to get to the programs I want to use. I despise the idea that the OS is the reason for starting the computer. But hey… its the trend.

    Vista could be the beta release of Windows 7, from what I’ve read here.

     
  20. SuperCarrot Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 6:17 pm

    I have got to say, I am quite surprised to see a few features from Compiz and a few from the Linux mockups that they have been posting for years, not quite as far, but there really does look like some cross pollonation has taken place.

     
  21. George Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 6:25 pm

    Bishounen, if you could not tell that he was obviously talking about KDE (bar, start button, task manager), maybe you should just turn in your geek credentials now. Just because you run Ubuntu doesn’t make you an expert in Linux software. (Debian users on the other hand…)

    KDE is flashier than Gnome and has a nicer applications suite. I’ve been running it since version 2 and it’s been very solid, stable and (more importantly) predictable.

     
  22. Colin Carter Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 6:41 pm

    the main problem is no matter how microsoft make “windoze” look like OSX, it will always be Windows and along with that goes all the usual windows problems.

    Windows has been sloppy since its inception and it will still be sloppy in this release, its a new face on old technology.

    In the meantime OSX goes from strength to strength, with OSX 10.6 shaping up to be even better.

     
  23. Matthew Graybosch Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 6:49 pm

    Too little, too late. If I want OS X, I know where to find it. After all, Apple provides me with all the shiny I want, with Unix under the hood.

     
  24. Michael G Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 6:50 pm

    I thought we were never supposed to call it the “system tray”:

    http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/09/10/54831.aspx

     
  25. Agamus K. Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 6:55 pm

    So, is there a way to make it look like XP on Classic mode?

    That’s the first thing I’ll do when I’m forced to use this horridly ugly interface.

     
  26. Benjamin Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    I do not see why Windows 7 is relevant. They are not offering anything better than what is already available in OSX and Linux. In fact, they are offering my current desktop design right down to the fancy network app in the system tray, snapping windows, window previews, desktop gadgets, etc; and those are only the options I have chosen to run. By the time this gem of an OS becomes available both OSX and Linux desktops will have even better user interfaces and system tools.

    I am quite happy paying nothing for my fancy Linux desktop. To think that people are still paying for an OS like Windows is astounding. Epic fail…

     
  27. phurrballphredd Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    Well that is some mighty fancy INNOVATION, there. I think they dang near copied everything out of OSX and Linux. They must of missed adding Compiz desktop effects, but they wait they aint finished with all that INNOVATION.

     
  28. WEGA Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 7:03 pm

    WAW.. this KDE MOCK-UP IS GREAT, WHERE CAN I GET THIS SKIN?

    Hoo WAIT IS NOT A MOCK-UP. ITS A WINDOWS…

    When they will allow WE look the kernel code lines like linux kernel at startup?

    GOD, microsoft is in the end of life ….

     
  29. Brian Thompson Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 7:05 pm

    Am I the only one who is not impressed by a fancy GUI? I want a stable and secure OS that doesn’t perform that crap. I beta tested Vista and decided to buy a Mac when they released that junk. To this day, I run apps that need Vista in a virtual machine and I turn off all the crap so it looks like Windows 2000 but has half way decent performance. How come my Mac that has 1 GB of RAM in it and runs Leopard has all the Leopard GUI stuff turned on and yet it runs well. I have systems with latest quad core processors and 4GB RAM and they still run Vista like crap. MS please dump your $hitty code and start fresh. Give us peformance and reliability first and only then if you can do it well, then start looking at GUI enhancements in Windows 7.

     
  30. Bret Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 7:15 pm

    “inspiration from the Mac OS X Dock, but it goes further than the Apple concept.”

    ~ Further that the Apple concept, you mean, in that it copies the release version of the Dock almost completely. Oh, and then there are the Widgets, oops I mean Gadgets. And the gesture-based touch pad. And yet the MS codemonglers can’t get the thing to boot in less than 40 seconds on a 3Ghz machine. Awesome!

     
  31. Bob Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 7:18 pm

    > If they are so happy away from MS, why the need to comment?

    As an IT professional, it really ticks me off that I have to deal with MS products with a HUGE cost of ownership increase over non-MS alternatives. Linux, NetWare, Solaris, non-MS groupware products such as GroupWise, Notes, Kerio, etc…The typical ratio is 1 hour of work on any of these for every 10 hours of work required on MS systems.

    It is discouraging to work in a field when your labor at times feels like a waste of effort because of such inferior MS products.

     
  32. Edward Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 7:22 pm

    Ok, MAC and Linux fanboys, move along now…go back to your little corner and stay there please. This is for those Windows users that appreciate a new updated OS.
    All you mac and linux fanboys…please go away and die a slow death…Thank you!

     
  33. Bishounen Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    George:

    What he MAY have been talking about and what he TYPED are two VERY different things. If he had said “KDE” I would have had little argument with him. However he said GNOME. No mistaking that. Nick is either a VERY careless writer, or a moron. Likely both.

    As far as my “Geek cred” goes, I run Ubuntu because it’s easy, and since it’s based on Debian, is stable. I’ve run Fedora, Mandrake (pre-mandriva days), Suse, Ubuntu (all 3 major flavors, U, K, and X). Debian, Slackware and DSL. My home server is a headless Debian file and Apache server, and I have a custom-built IP-tables based Linux firewall. I may not be the be-all end-all of geekdom, (sorry, no beowulf cluster of PS2’s running custom kernels) but I’ve made my chops and don’t have to take crap from anyone on that front.

    BTW, KDE 4 is IN NO WAY stable. KDE 3.x, yes. 4.x, not yet. Although they have had the flashy all over gnome for years, I prefer the simplicity and ease of use of the gnome interface. As I noted before, if I want flash, I load up Compiz Fusion and play with it.

     
  34. muck Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 7:27 pm

    Yeah and oh my god you can use a mouse in it too and you can play a CD through it just like OS X and Linux. I can’t believe they copied them on that. Oh no wait. That’s what all computers do isn’t it. This is why MacBoys get such a bad name. Any story about Microsoft and they have to attack it. You’re not really fooling anyone are you. If you were so happy about yours you’d just sit content and not worry what Microsoft is doing. The truth is Microsoft is running on 95% of the computers in the world. Yes I know the Mac has 8% penetration but we all know that a lot just run Windows anyway on them. It’s fine. You can all have your Macs but most of us want and need to run software, not just the bundled stuff you get when you buy a Mac.

     
  35. Bishounen Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 7:28 pm

    Edward, if we all went away, what would Microsoft have to copy then?

    P.S. If you want a new up dated OS, load up Linux or go buy a Mac. Stop playing with bad copies of good work.

     
  36. anthony Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 7:31 pm

    Steve, since I DO know something about development, I find your assertion that the .Net framework is an example of Microsoft shining above everyone else laughable at best.

    If you want to write something once, and have it run on practically any platform currently in use, I would say that Java is decades ahead, not behind.

    I will concede that Microsoft “spawned millions and millions of tech jobs”, I myself was for quite some time employed in the effort to keep their software functioning.

    I don’t want to get into your Open Source/Analingus fixation.

     
  37. Edward Rudd Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    I don’t think the reviewer has ever used OS X, as if you right click (or click and hold) on an icon in the dock it pops up with a menu, which an application can populate with application specific entries (recently used, itunes controls, etc..). Nothing new here.. move along.

     
  38. regeya Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 7:32 pm

    I’m with you, Bob…I’m with you.

    Sure as hell looks like my KDE4 desktop to me, but to be fair, its look and feel borrows heavily from Vista.

     
  39. Brian Thompson Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 7:57 pm

    Why is it that Windows “fans” get so defensive when someone compares the performance to a Mac for instance. I am an IT Pro and I have been around and supported Windows for years. I am not anti-Microsoft. In fact, I gave Gates and MS a pass in the whole anti-trust fiasco and I don’t think that did a thing for the end-user. My point is that MS seems to have focused on implementing eye candy and indexing, etc. at the expense of performance. They developed these new features in Vista and used the same NTFS files system which is not tuned for performance. I find it interesting that Leopard’s journaled file system plans disk usage so as to minimize disk fragmentation. However, I can do a clean install of Vista and MS Office 2007 and already take a performance hit as the disk is fragmented to some extent. MS needs to quit outsourcing the marketing group as they should be responsible for keeping development focused in the right areas and getting a stable product to market. As we speak, I am working two support cases with MS as I am trying to deploy two new server-based products they have released and the installation failed midway through. In both cases, MS has acknoledged that there are bugs and they are digging around for hotfixes and we are working through manual installations. This is complete crap and it’s become all too acceptable in the Microsoft world.

     
  40. Rob Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 8:09 pm

    Well, let me just say I think it’s terrible that people have to berate one another on here like kids in a schoolyard …. or pull out their resumes like they mean something… why can’t people have civilized conversations anymore?

    That said, I’ll weigh in a little. I believe we should all be honest here, no matter what OS you prefer – none of them are perfect. I just happen to be in a shop where I get a good amount of exposure to Mac, Linux, and Windows – both desktop and server – and I can tell you all this with complete certainty – they all have significant problems. Debating superiority is a waste of time and energy.

    Windows bashing is so old. Get over it already.

     
  41. Steve Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 8:13 pm

    I know a few folk who run other o/s and they spend half their time going round saying “Look at me, I’m not running Vista, ‘Im running Linus (or Ubuntu)”, as if it makes them different or better than others. They also find they have to reformat their machines every so often. Perhaps the only people who have problems with Vista are the small percent who like pulling it apart.
    I have had vista pro for years and never had a blue screen, failure, had to reformat, or unload anything.
    For the 99.9% of us that aren’t code or network techies, perhaps Vista does what it says on the tin.

     
  42. Brian Thompson Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 8:15 pm

    Rob,

    I completely agree with you. I have used Linux and had it bite me in the @#$. I have also had issues with Leopard and had Apple support not know how to deal with them. I don’t believe that Apple’s solution is perfect and I don’t see them taking over the corporate world. If nothing else, MS continues to provide me with job security as the issues they have keep guys like me in demand. My comments were made as an end user. I go to MS conferences regularly and I hear the promises. That’s why I was so discouraged with Vista. They didn’t live up to their promises. I am hopeful that Windows 7 evolves into a good product. I just don’t have a lot of postive recent history to go on.

     
  43. Paul Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 8:25 pm

    Hmmmmm…. so they’ve done some interface stuff…. wow.
    Glad to see they know where the development priorities are….. erm, how about adding some _real_ features for crying out loud!!

     
  44. Arthur K. Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 8:26 pm

    From http://www.thefreedictionary.com/problem :

    Problem, def.: A question to be considered, solved, or answered.

    You don’t consider Windows’ unstability; it’s given. You don’t solve it either – think Redmond boys will really re-write *everything* from scratch? As for the answer… well, it’s fancy and sells, right?

    Actually I think both Edward and Bishounen are right. I mean.. since it’s not a problem, leave it for the pigs, or take it as a condition (as in “life is great, BUT there is this Windows thing”) – but let it be. Don’t ask regular Windows users to absorb all of the geekness and suddenly start using Linux/Mac – diversity of people, diversity of minds. Lil’sis thinks Vista transparent windows ftw and uses no more than MSN/IE/Word and I can see nothing wrong with that (this may look offensive, but I see no reason why a Medicine graduate should know about kernels and stuff). There’re also lots of people out there making great stuff with .Net, and also lots of people buying it and using it, and the world keeps spinning – so it’s not that bad, uh? My beowulf cluster runs over regular machines, but I still have a job with a desk with a Windows box on it, and hell, ok, so sad, work goes on. All the marketing in the world won’t make Wndows better than *nix or Mac (gonna convince A LOT of people tough); so leave MS guys with their MS forums and regards to their wives. They’ll talk about the fancy stuff, they’ll call upon .Net vs Java battle, they’ll claim Jesus died in Redmond if they want to – and so will you – so ok, great, go for it boys, I don’t care. Coffe is hot, got Debian, all right with the world.

    Unless you want a(nother) flame war. Then I’ll happily watch it from my desk. :D

    Cheers,

    Arthur

     
  45. muck Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    Actually I’m a code techie and program on Vista. I don’t get what these people say. One bloke had a quad core pc with 4GB RAM and said his Vista machine was slow. How? I’m running a three and half year old PC. Single Pentium 4 and it’s able to play the latest games without problems. I just don’t understand some people

     
  46. technogeist Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 8:29 pm

    I couldn’t give a crap about the flashy UI.
    The OS should not get in your face when you just want to get something done quickly without fighting against ‘nanny’.

    Do you really want to change that setting? It might be dangerous! F**K OFF!

     
  47. Brian Thompson Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 8:32 pm

    Muck,

    Do you run Aero Glass? Do you have indexing on and do you keep a 5GB mailbox history that Vista has to index?

     
  48. muck Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 8:33 pm

    turn it off ffs. It’s not that hard to say don’t run UAC. People on here are meant to be techies and they can’t click a bloody hyperlink!!!!!

     
  49. muck Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 8:36 pm

    Yes I do have Aero Glass on. I never mentioned my graphics card which isn’t three years old. It’s an 8800GTS overclocked but still the processor is old!!. Yes I do have indexing on and no my mailbox history is only 3GB. Do you run crappy freeware that came wih your computer? Have you EVER ran msconfig???

     
  50. Mercurial Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 8:42 pm

    Good to see Microsoft going forward with the Mojave plan. Rebrand Vista, adjust the UI a bit, and people are happy. Good thing they’re so adept at not informing people about (or dealing with, for that matter) underlying problems.

     
  51. EHR Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 8:43 pm

    Do you Linux/Unix guys really have nothing better to do than sit around and bash MS – and yourselves – all day? You guys sound like a bunch of basement dweebs all trying to get over an inferiority complex by competing for the “biggest geek” award. Whatever.

    Microsoft isn’t the only company that builds on ideas and concepts from other companies. Everyone does it, but you guys insist on hating Microsoft so much you can’t seem to grasp that.

    You can say what you want about Microsoft – it certainly isn’t perfect. Most companies aren’t. Why, Linux has unstable version too! (Imagine that.) But some of these other guys are right – there is a reason why most companies and home users are using Microsoft instead. There is a reason they have been so successful.

    Here’s an example: I knew a guy who was a die-hard Unix/Linux admin with home-use experience with Windows. He too was a MS-basher. And then I introduced him to the Enterprise-side of Microsoft. His response, “I had no idea it could do all of that.” He still enjoys his Mac, but has new appreciation for the Windows Admins.

    Unix and Linux both have their places and are good for some things. But you can’t beat Microsoft’s interoperability, their Enterprise line of products that all work together very nicely, and streamline the way people work. You just can’t. Administration isn’t difficult, and neither is building business solutions around it. It may be good for your ‘experienced’ home use, but its not good for most home users that just have simple needs. And businesses don’t want to deal with the 100 flavors of Linux and trying to support them.

    I just don’t get why you guys have to bash everyone who either actually likes Microsoft or who doesn’t use the same version of OS that you do. So you prefer OS X. Good for you. That’s your choice. But not all of us care for it – and some of us HAVE used it in the past. So what? It doesn’t make you better than anyone else.

    You don’t like Microsoft, fine. So, stop reading about their updates. I don’t know too many other people who purposely read about things they don’t like…

     
  52. Brian Thompson Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 8:50 pm

    Ok, Muck. Let’s get something straight here. I am an MCITP: Enterprise Administrator. I am only mentioning that as you seem to want to question my experience. As I said earlier, I have been around and been supporting Windows for a long time. I do not run “crappy freeware”. In fact, I have group policies set for my users (which I adhere to) which prevents them from intstalling unapproved software. Vista still has performance issues. BTW: How about a Vista notebook? Tried running Vista with a 5400rpm hard disk which most manufacturers use due to heat issues? Now that sucks!

     
  53. muck Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 9:01 pm

    Well ok I can’t win. I am bewildered at your performance issues. AT this moment I’m running two 22 inch widescreens. I’ve got Visual Studio 2008 open twice, SQL Server 2008 running with Management Studio open. I have Expression Blend 2 and Expression Design 2 open. Live messenger, this browser and also Windows Media player running. It’s running fine. I’ve just checked the uptime and I haven’t switched it off or needed a reboot in 13 days. It’s also played host to a few Lego Batman bouts when my son gets his hands on it. I’m sorry for questioning your experience but I just don’t get it. I was also using a very basic laptop the other day with it on and I didn’t see anything bad about it. It was slower than my home pc but they always are. I think we’ll just have to disagree on this. It just amazes me to be honest. I’d love to chat all night but I actually have to get on with work but I hope you have better luck with WIn 7

     
  54. peezawaki Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 9:48 pm

    Noting special to add, but…

    Quoting: “The Taskbar has been completely redesigned, with the text descriptions of open windows replaced with large icons of the open applications”

    Nothing new unseen before. Compiz also have all those fancy features and doesn’t need a monster system or a sci-fi computer to run. And it’s for free.

     
  55. trotos Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 9:51 pm

    I must agree that it looks more to OSX and KDE4 ( i know that it is not yet stable, but it will be, and if they continue the good work it will be a great DE)

    It looks good though, better than Vista and more user friendly, that fiend

    the main thing is the resources consuming…

    snow lopard is beeing written from the begining to do just that
    and Unix/Linux…well it can be perfect even on 10 year old machines without loosing any usability

    By the way I will agre with the statment that MS does/did have/had a superb marketing department, it did made some great collaborations to be established as the Standard and that is why is being choosed by soooo many.
    I’ve recently installed Linux Mint on My friends Laptop, an 6year old on and he has never asked me to get him back to WinXP. And he is a total NOOB (and proud one too)

     
  56. az Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 9:52 pm

    Looks like the best OS in the market! Can’t wait!

     
  57. Fri13 Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 10:01 pm

    Windows 7 looks more like Mac OS X and KDE4 with small “similarity” with GNOME.

    In history, we had Windows desktop what was unique by it looks, then a Apple made their own GUI as “good usability” standard. And same time open source KDE and GNOME started to develop. People laughed that KDE looked too much like a windows and GNOME too much like a Mac OS X. Now, there is no more Windows-kind desktop, there is just a KDE and Mac OS X kind desktops… Evolution I would say.

    The screenshots of the Windows 7 is too similar for KDE4 what I have currently, main different thing is that running applications has text on their system tray boxes.

    And yes, the wallpaper looks too similar for current Fedoras default… did Microsoft want to copy that too?!

     
  58. chakkerz Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 10:03 pm

    Is it me, or does the Taskbar look like kicker from KDE? Granted with the expanded feature of giving a preview like Compiz Fusion is installed, and the title feature disabled … (damn, that may have taken minutes to prototype / implement)

    Wow, I just realized that means MS has finally reached … what … February 2007 for the OS they are releasing in 2010 / 2011? Nice … real innovative, and to their way of thinking it is … no one uses thus if we copy it it’s new New NEW!!!

    **sigh**

     
  59. muck Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 10:05 pm

    Hey you are right peezawaki,

    Compiz looks better than WIn7. To a certain extent OS X does although the dock is not my thing but they can’t run the millions of software titles that are available. That is the reason that Compiz has less than 0.1% market penetration. If we could all start from scratch again then maybe Compiz or OS X or Ubuntu would be the leader but it’s too late at the moment. The next big fight will come with the cloud OS. Google has the head start and that is where Microsoft is going too. Apple and Linux need to get a move on because once you can run everything in a browser as you do on the desktop then the OS is irrelevent

     
  60. chakkerz Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 10:07 pm

    When Novell and MS snuck off to bed together a co-worker prophesied that Windows 7 would be MSuSE … looks like he was right … I wonder if MS has been helping the Wine folk out to get backward compatibility happening…

     
  61. rolandixor Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 10:12 pm

    wow. Linux in a windows box!
    I’m so impressed, I think I’ll skip it. You know, all of this would be wonderful, had it not been for the amount of time that we have had to wait for microsoft to get some sense in their OS, and it still has a long way to go.

    well, I hope they are planning to open the door. The windows are closing, and Linux is about to take the spotlight (pun intended).

    Not saying I won’t ever use it. but I’m certainly not impressed.

     
  62. MZ Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 10:20 pm

    I do have to give some credit to Redmond – they may just pull themselves out of that Vista hole they dug yet – but with DRM still at Kernel Level – I’m still going to give a pass – maybe my little sister will like it – maybe even my girlfriend. GUI – looks good – under the hood – not quite sold yet. Get me something that won’t hold me back, offer better security, and remove that DRM from the Kernel and we’ll talk.

    I do have to give some credit to Mac OS X – thanks to Leopard and Intel based platforms I’ve seen a hell of a lot more intellegent UNIX users – and that makes me feel good. Even though I hate your GUI set up with the Windows in that upper bar area, but that’s my only major complant on that end.

    I have to give a deal of credit to Linux (and it’s flavors) – Linux, gents don’t lie to yourselves – we got a lot of problems to fix – yeah we can fix them sure – but for the average end-user like my sister – it’s not going to happen. We are on some of the most cutting edges of software design and implementation from desktop flexibility (KDE 4.x) to something that just feels pleasant (GNOME and XCFE) to even the most minimalist of modes (E17, Midnight Commander, straight Terminal) mean while were crafting open software for every system to use.

    My Home has: XP Desktop and Laptop, and a Linux Desktop and Laptop (with a Mac coming this Christmas for my little sister)

     
  63. Michael Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 10:24 pm

    Mac people are funny. When your OS can support more than 5 hardware configurations, let me know. Windows isn’t perfect by any means, but it is the best. When you think of the millions of hardware configurations it supports out of the box, it’s pretty mind blowing. Then you take into consideration the millions of 3rd party apps for Windows, versus the… 5? for Mac, well really it’s no competition.

     
  64. Alec Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 10:30 pm

    Half the things mentioned are already in place in VISTA but all MS r doing are just making them more acsessable

     
  65. jorl Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 10:40 pm

    Would you PLEASE shut the hell up?

    Call me a Microsoft Basher, I am, I recognise it, I have to live with it.

    But look at you, I mean you’re commenting on a blog and arguing with people you do not know, who most likely have different cultures.

    I mean, do that with your friends: argue, discuss, argumentate facts.

    My opinion is that Microsoft is trying to do better, but I only see a ‘perfect solution’ by starting a new kernel model. The NT is starting to get too much criticised and newer programmers may bring innovation there.

    Just a note. Whoever started the question GNOME/KDE/MACOSX/MICROSOFT/THE80S/SOMECRAP. That does not matter. We do what people want, innovating is extremely important, that’s what philosophy is here for, but let me give you an example:

    I’d invent chocolate and I’d eat it on my own and give a bit to you. So, you would try to mimic it or even request the recipe, you could innovate, but since you like it, you’ll make it.

    Microsoft does that allot.

    Performance issues: There are, no doubt. They can be fixed. They MUST be fixed and Redmond guys are working on it (though I’ve said NT must be dumped)

    There are power-users, programmers, bare-users. I am a programmer and a power-user. I use GNU/Linux and yeah I keep criticising Microsoft and Windows but deep in there I know their system has something mine doesn’t. I can mimic it, use WINE, emulate, whatever, but it has that and mine hsa tons of other stuff others haven’t got.

    The world must be heterogenous. For me, it should 35% Microsoft, 45% GNU/Linux 10% Other UNIXES and the rest is up to you.

    Just like OSS and PS, IMHO 75% should be Open-Srouce and 25% should be Proprietary but that is MY OPINION. Other people can and should have theirs and we should just stop writting here and keep it to ourselfs and to our friends.

    This is the first and last answer i’m giving to a topic like ths

     
  66. Alec Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 10:46 pm

    calm down lol can i have a bit of your chocolate?

     
  67. muck Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 11:31 pm

    I just want to make one last point. And aimed at Linux users. It’s really lame saying that they have copied OS X and Linux with the look.Yes they have used parts of their look but that is the ‘Look’ at the moment. If grey was ‘in’ then they would all be grey to an extent. But then I thought well Win 7 still has the taskbar with the Start button on the left hand side. This design is 13 years old. Yeah look at Win 95 and it’s the same look but with fancier graphics. They’ve all borrowed from each other. In fact it’s only been in the last 3 years that linux has had any type of decent front end. Do you think they came up with that design??
    You really are all talking complete nonsense. I was the same when I bought an Atari ST and all my mates had an Amiga. I kept telling them that the ST had better music capabilities and was a much better with applications but deep down inside I knew that they had the better machine. Linux is great and so is OS X but it isn’t a Windows killer. Mind you if OS X was available to other companies then there may be a home revolution.

     
  68. Brian Thompson Says:
    October 28th, 2008 at 11:41 pm

    Michael,

    Windows users who excuse problems (especially with Vista) as not perfect are funny! What hardware configuration are you looking for?

     
  69. Dan Says:
    October 29th, 2008 at 12:47 am

    The question I think is: does Windows 7 address the problems that are keeping users from migrating to Vista? I wouldn’t say that is the case, at least so far. The GUI changes are different, though I’m not sure if they are an improvement. I think touch screen interfaces work well for smartphones and car navigation systems but I just don’t see how it will benefit desktop and notebook users. I would personally find it to be slower and more clumsy than using a mouse and keyboard shortcuts, and the finger smudges on the screen would be annoying. The article mentions performance improvements but only references boot time as a benchmark. Boot time is much less relevant compared to memory consumption or average idle cpu time. Windows 7 seems to be more a marketing ploy: it’s new and improved on the exterior but actually more of the same underneath. Maybe the final build will be prove otherwise. However given the short development time, I guess it was never meant to be more than an extension of Vista.

     
  70. Cooloox Says:
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:58 am

    Hey Muck,

    I have to agree with you completely. Either people are very biased (anti-MS) or they are plain ignorant and have no idea how to maintain and use a computer properly. I ran XP Pro and XP Home from 2002 till earlier this year and they were both EXCEPTIONALLY reliable. I never had a crash in XP that required a reboot- not ever! I started using Vista Home Premium this year on a basic Celeron D 2.53ghz computer with 2gb RAM and it has never crashed once to this day. It is a slow computer, but runs Vista flawlessly. People really need to forget they personal opion crap and learn to use computers properly.
    I am a software freak and have far more software than most users (and I use it too!). I put my computer under more load than most and still have no issues. I am both amused and rather bored from all the complainers who simply don’t like MS and so rubbish its software, without legitimate cause.

     
  71. Microsoft Bob Says:
    October 29th, 2008 at 4:02 am

    “New” features. This would be funny if it weren’t so sad.

     
  72. Brian Thompson Says:
    October 29th, 2008 at 4:07 am

    Cooloox, I hope you aren’t lumping me into that category. As stated earlier, my credentials speak for themselves. I am fully certified by Microsoft to BS about Vista. That doesn’t mean I am going to sit here and do that on a board like this. One interesting point. I have a software developer who has been at my company for a little over a year. He is brilliant and worked in software development for Microsoft. On the first day he started at my company, he walked in with a MacBook Pro and asked where to plug in. He keeps in contact with many of his collegues and claims that a number of them use Macs at home. Maybe that’s part of the problem. Maybe MS employees themselves are bailing on the OS they are developing. Nah. Seriously though, I am not anti Microsoft. I am anti BS and have have had to go through a lot of BS in the past couple of years with MS products including Vista, Windows Server 2008, Microsoft System Center Operations Manager 2007, Data Protection Manager 2007, Exchange 2007, Hyper-V, System Center Virtual Machine Manger 2008, and a number of other products. We are a Microsoft house and I can tell you it’s no surprise to MS that they are not doing a good job of releasing products these days. I have had conversations with a number of product managers from MS at tradeshows and they acknowledge the problems. I would like to be optimistic about Windows 7 but again, history tells me that MS is having a hard time. I can show you the support case history from MS and $$$ in outside consulting that we have had to pay out to fix the issues as I just don’t have the bandwidth to be able to handle all of them internally. I also purchased a Vista Media Center from Dell this year with 2 cablecard tuners and then found out 3 weeks after deployments that the DRM scheme was getting corrupted every few days which stopped all recordings until a reboot happened. I troubleshot the issue using the event logs and then opened a case with MS support through our company partner account. I had the case escalated and eventually spoke with a senior member on the research team that works with the developers. Turns out they know about my issue and claim they might have it resolved in a couple of months. Tell me how I am supposed to explain this to my wife – that my $2000 media center can’t reliably record content? That’s didn’t fly. So, I chose a solution from Apple for media content and went back to my Tivo and life is good.

    Brian

     
  73. TimoGunt Says:
    October 29th, 2008 at 8:45 am

    wow I got here too late. Why are all the linux and Mac boys commenting?? You don’t use Windows. I don’t like marmite but it doesn’t mean I go on their website and abuse people for being different to me
    For anyone that is interested in Windows 7 this site has a lot more information on what changes are being made.
    http://www.winsupersite.com/faq/windows_7.asp

     
  74. John Brown - at work and play Says:
    October 29th, 2008 at 9:13 am

    Windows 7 previews…

    So we can now see what Microsoft have lined up for us in Windows 7. The new desktop OS from the Redmond Megalith promises a new look (building on the Aero feel of Vista), built in support for touch controls with a nod to the new Surface system.

    The ma…

     
  75. thomas Says:
    October 29th, 2008 at 9:24 am

    Dear Micro$oft,

    You seem to have put most of the OS X interface in Windows. If you were one of my pupils, I’d ask you to stop copying your neighbour. I do hope that your underlying work is sound (for once), but knowing you I fear it’s gonna be another F-. And perhaps your parents and me should have a talk…a serious one.

    To the MS-fanboys:
    Does Vista (and by extension Win7) run happily on a 1 Ghz system with only 256 Mb RAM? With a browser with 20-30 tabs open at once and Photoshop and iTunes busy in the background?
    That’s how my low-end 6 year old OS X Mac is often used. It is swift and a joy to use.

     
  76. Vague Boy Says:
    October 29th, 2008 at 9:25 am

    Whatever Microsoft do with Windows, the Linux/Mac fanboys will never be pleased. At least with Windows 7 they’ve been reduced to sniping at the GUI for lack of anything else to whine about.

    Oh, and as for Microsoft pinching UI ideas from OSX, they’re only continuing the tradition set by Apple themselves. Google
    “Xerox Palo Alto Research Center” and see where Apple gained their “inspiration” to produce the GUI (graphical user interface)
    WYSIWYG (what you see is what you get) text editing, the mouse, a desktop environment that contained icons, documents and folders which were manipulated by a mouse.

    Sound familiar?

     
  77. Togarth Says:
    October 29th, 2008 at 9:31 am

    I will be much interested to see how many of these “features” get dropped prior to the final release version don’t forget MS are old hands at that game.

    But as much as I dislike the Nazi approach of “Steve God Inc” sorry I meant Apple “No you vill NOT selectively drag and drop music onto your iPod” and “When I say zer is no problem zer IS NO problem”

    I have to say Bill and the boys have done a great job of ripping off what is a fairly stable OS, it does beg the question what have they actually invented?
    Other than the OS Vista should have been!

     
  78. Ben Says:
    October 29th, 2008 at 10:02 am

    I’m going to try and be neutral here (tall order I know). But I don’t really understand why people keep going on about MS copying Apple. Everyone copies everyone else, Apple have copied MS as well (and let’s not even mention Xerox!), hardware manufacturers copy each other, car manufacturers copy each other.

    If someone comes up with a good idea, then the competition would be mad not to copy them. It’s just logical, it doesn’t mean that their copy is inferior (often it can be superior). (Not saying Windows is superior – calm down Apple fan boys – just trying to make a point).

    In the end an OS is a tool just like the computer it runs on. I couldn’t give a monkey’s where the feature originated from, if it helps me, I’ll be happy.

     
  79. NIck Daniels Says:
    October 29th, 2008 at 11:53 am

    First, whoever said that Microsoft was stealing features from Apple is right, they stole UAC! How many times do you have to enter your password to install software or make system changes?

    And as a network admin, I can honestly say UAC has protected my users, everytime a bad website tries to install some garbage through IE they get a prompt, and most know not to allow it. And better yet, in Windows XP if I wanted to perform an admin action while a user of no privileged was logged in I had to log them off, log on and then make my changes. In vista I run as an administrator and enter my credentials, and we’re done. UAC is an amazing feature. PERIOD. I love Vista! And I wrote this whole thing on a Mac!

     
  80. nicholas Says:
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:14 pm

    First, I’d like to remind you I’m a cynic.

    Look, who has heard of co-existence? You must adapt. As someone who has a thought in this area a little bit, I realise that everything depends on your needs. I’m sure everyone does. And that’s where I focus.

    Microsoft works on a new OS. Genius. Then what? Does it matter that it is similar to a superior product? Before you argue, admit that nobody copies their underdog. That’s just retarded.

    Why chase hostile opinions out the window? Surely you realise there is no point having an argument with only one side heard? Go tell that to some judicial authority or the like. Well?

    Shortcomings are everywhere. People claim Mac users hardly play games. Say what you like, but I don’t exactly care. Use what you want, don’t bother other people unnecessarily.

    Don’t do stupid things, and you’ll be fine, no annoying computer afflictions. So long as all your friends around your computer are the same.

    I accept that Linux isn’t for everyone. Which is why I remove stupid viruses from people’s flash drives on request. Or pathogens. That works too. Configuration hasn’t killed me yet, neither has selective reformatting. Certain partitions are set aside for testing, and I wipe them every few weeks. Whereas others are for staying. Guess which I do work on?

    I don’t ask for a common standard. Just relative peace and a healthy debate.

    This is a community, one as open as ours ought to realise by now that criticism goes nowhere. Indeed, a hypocrite I am.

     
  81. Peter Collins Says:
    October 29th, 2008 at 1:59 pm

    I’m a user. I know what a pointer is and understand a little about how the cpu gets it’s data from memory. I can’t program, I’m no admin guy, before I retired I worked as an industrial electrician. Know a little bit about PLC’s. And motor controlls. How lights work! Ha ha ha. I have been building my own computers for over 20 years. I’ve played with Macs, Linux, had to use UNIX at work every day. My home computer, the only one, well I have a little network going, simple stuff you know, is for entertainment. I game a lot. And there are thousands of end users that game, surf the net, generaly monkey around, to one of you techies. Windows, whatever version, is the only OS that really has a lot of software written for it, the only OS that you can game on. Yes I know the Macs are starting to get more support from the bigger game devs, but is woefully behind.

    Nothin wrong with Windows, nothing wrong with any other OS, you use what you need. But there is something wrong with you techies, my whole working life I’ve listen to you lazy, bitchy techies who think you’re better than every one else and you’ll never change.

     
  82. Marco Says:
    October 29th, 2008 at 2:17 pm

    Windows7 should by default include some VM functionality that enables to run Windows XP programs. This might alleviate the need to update all your purchased software for XP for an Windows7 compatible version. So the customer can have his own migration path and is not forced to update everything in one go. This often causes major headaches and it stopped me from moving to Vista (thank got/imshallah)

    Did we not had something in the early days to keep on running old ms-dos programs on Windows 3.11 all the way up to Windows 95/98/ME?

     
  83. wahid Says:
    October 29th, 2008 at 6:56 pm

    everyone keeps moaning about ms windows but the fact it still the dominant OS on the desktop.
    The linux users claim their open source OS is better,OK , build a new PC and install UBUNTU (the current ‘darling’ of linux users) and see if it will detect ALL the components correctly (it never will) and it manages the drivers correctly and then boot up ms vista & then see how it should be done.
    To be honest linux users, i do not wish to have command prompt in my face which is so 1980’s and have to type in mystical commands just to launch an application!
    Apple is still (only) selling a few million macs a year , this is a drop in the ocean compared to the PC’s that are sold with a ms vista licence.If it wasnt for IPOD and ITUNES they would have been history.
    Fact is love it or hate it MS will always be the leader..

     
  84. anonymous Says:
    October 29th, 2008 at 9:14 pm

    You’re off topic but I want to add a few corrections:

    “the fact it still the dominant OS on the desktop.”

    You’re right, it is a fact and this is the only truth in your post.

    “build a new PC and install UBUNTU (the current ‘darling’ of linux users) and see if it will detect ALL the components correctly (it never will) and it manages the drivers correctly and then boot up ms vista & then see how it should be done.”

    I just did this, although I’m a Debian user. It did recognize all of my hardware without any extra effort. I installed the Nvidia drivers optionally afterwards. Vista, reinstalled after partitioning, did not recognize my wifi card and printer. I had to plug my laptop into the cable modem and download the wifi and Nvidia drivers. It was a quite a pain actually and my printer didn’t have a vista driver until a few months later. Don’t compare booting a pc that comes with windows installed and preconfigured to a pc with a self-install of Ubuntu. I admit from experience that it does depend on the hardware but the linux kernel has better built-in hardware support than windows.

    “To be honest linux users, i do not wish to have command prompt in my face which is so 1980’s and have to type in mystical commands just to launch an application!”

    The only time one really has to use the CLI in desktop linux is for compiling something. It really is completely optional for typical users. It is an advantage to learn it though. I have found the CLI to be much faster for many tasks compared to GUI’s and the CLI is scriptable so repeative actions can be automated. If it was “so 1980’s” then why did microsoft develop Powershell?

    “Apple is still (only) selling a few million macs a year , this is a drop in the ocean compared to the PC’s that are sold with a ms vista licence”

    I confess that I haven’t used macs much recently but my impression is that Apple’s marketshare has always been held back by simple economics. You can buy a generic windows notebook for about half the starting price of a macbook. The hardware configurations are more limited but Apple makes high quality stuff, at least in the PC sector.

     
  85. Terry Bobiwsky Says:
    October 30th, 2008 at 4:33 am

    Hey Guys,
    I think I know why M$ can’t seem to do anything right. They can’t
    count. This should be Windows 11 not 7 Windows 1.0, 2.0
    3.1, 95, 98, ME, NT, 2000, XP, Vista. I could be picky but….
    Just re-issue XP Pro SP2 and most of us should be happy!!!

     
  86. Wm Berit Says:
    October 30th, 2008 at 10:55 am

    It sucks as usual. The ONLY two real OSs MS ever had were MSDOS and Windows 2000, which had no sissy bells and whistles that contributed zero to GETTING WORK DONE. All the fancy icons, flipping windows, auto this, auto that, is all BS to sell, sell, sell a OS that is basically still BASIC. Come on MS, write a KISS Principal OPEN OS that we workers, designers, image processors, and bookies, can use without feeling we are working for Dizzy Land!
    BB

     
  87. RusDavies Says:
    October 30th, 2008 at 11:47 am

    I agree with the many people who note the similarity with Compiz and Beryl. That was my first thought too.

    However, I’ll make the additional note that having a flashy interface on Windows is wonderfully deserving of the old adage of, “one cannot polish a turd.”

     
  88. jhetrick Says:
    October 30th, 2008 at 11:56 am

    Looks more and more like Linux to me although it still lacks the requisite security!

     
  89. Steven Says:
    October 30th, 2008 at 4:05 pm

    Looks nice, will take 8 GB of memory as lunch and ask for more…

    BTW: All people commenting to why everyone still uses Windows:

    There’s almost no decent games on the other OS’es….

    That is the only reason i use Windows.

    I know, some will say “hey use windows emulation”, yeah right, what a joke, try running Crysis or other recent games on your emulation thing…It sucks.

    So unless developers start making versions for Linux distributions or Mac, i’m sticking to M$ os, alas, i have to admit.

     
  90. hmm Says:
    October 31st, 2008 at 2:09 am

    funny how all the non windows user found the urge to need to post… all these child like comments its like sayin “oh ford had alloy wheels b4 audi” wtf is wrong with u people? or is it that ur just envious of windows very large gaming catalogue? whens the last time sum1 with an apple or linux system mentioned playin crysis? oh wait they didnt cos they cant! but then apples are for people who dont know how to play games or do anything other then draw pictures or make movies which can also be done in windows! and linux thats like sum geeky snob factor “i use gnome so im gonna look down my nose at u simple windows users” it doesnt make u cool it makes u look like u have no life other then coding open source bullshit!

    windows 7 looks good but i would really like to know what kinda power i need to run it.. the touch thing seems more at home on a tablet then a desktop so that probably a feature i wont car about unless i decide to run it on my car pc (thats if a car pc is capable of it).

     
  91. bolinboy Says:
    October 31st, 2008 at 11:37 am

    Wow, aren’t we all sad little twa*s! That an operating system can induce so much vociferous discussion, considering the state of the world today, amazes me.
    However, it was entertaining reading it all.

     
  92. C# Software Engineer Says:
    October 31st, 2008 at 1:52 pm

    I program .Net. I like programming .Net. It’s (for me) much better than the alternatives for what I do. I’ve been using Microsoft OS’s for ~18years I think. They’ve served a very good purpose and done wonders for getting people to use computers. There has always been something or other to winge and moan about, but until recently most of the other operating systems have really sucked too. Sometimes much worse than windows.

    Each operating system steals the good bits of all the other operating systems. If they didn’t, then they wouldn’t be any good. Until recently, I’ve only ever had windows, but Vista has kind of pulled the rug out from under me really. It’s really expensive (compared to the competition), doesn’t really offer much (functionally) that wasn’t already there, it just looks different. Like many of the others posting here, us power users just turn most of the visual junk off because it kills the machine and serves no real purpose. For this reason, I’m still on XP and have no intention of upgrading.

    I now own a Mac and run WinXP as a virtual PC. Runs a treat and I have no problems. When windows crashes or goes tits I can easily reboot it (which seems quicker inside the VPC) and continue emailing, surfing or whatever in OSX whilst it’s messing about.

    I’m not going to sing the songs of any of the operating systems out there these days because … they’re all pretty much the same. They’ve all got good bits and all have disapointments too. Why some of you are getting so heated about it all is beyond me. Like bolinboy says, there are more important things going on than a new OS regardless of who’s created it.

    OS’s are going to get relegated to what there good for soon anyway and pave a way for the user (or someone a little smarter) to skin up a front end to utilise the API’s that they allow.

    These large companies should concentrate on getting the nuts and bolts working shit hot and stop wasting everyones time with fades, swipes, swooshes and rubbish transparency.

    At the moment I’m giving OSX a try because I’m just bored of windows. Apple have there own issues though like the hardware is crazy prices, but the OS is pretty good and seems generally more stable in a lot of areas that I’m interested in at the moment (video editing, high end graphics, photography etc).

    I thought that it was quite amusing the guy who was touting windows as number 1 because you can play games on it. I gave up playing games on my PC about 10 years ago because it just got so rediculous to a) install the damned game(s) b) keep your hardware up to date so you could even play them. I’m now an avid console owner and won’t ever look back. There are certain games that I like which don’t work that well on a console, but 80-90% of the games are available and are comparable to a PC if not better.

    So basically, I could probably own a Mac and a PS3 and still have change compared with someone who bought a hot enough windows computer running Vista to play highend PC games on.

     
  93. wullieg Says:
    November 1st, 2008 at 8:31 am

    who cares if ms is copying things from macs or linux or anything else, they`re doing it to please us, if we like the mac interface then we want windows to have it, if we like the linux toilet then we want windows to have it, just take the best from everything and put it all in the one place, that way we`ll all be happy, so why moan, stick to what you like best and for me thats windows

     
  94. NottsBloke Says:
    November 4th, 2008 at 6:17 am

    Who actually cares which O/S is used as long as people can get their work done? Maybe you should all go back to using pen and paper so we can have a great arguement about who is better BIC or Parker.

     
  95. dukeow Says:
    November 9th, 2008 at 11:02 pm

    Some people still use quill pens and a pen knife to keep them trimmed to the line width desired. And of course ink from a recessed container in the wooden desk top.

    Unless you have used a quill pen you don’t understand the phrase “Light as a feather!”

    For thousands of years it was major factor in recording events, creating books, etc.

    And there are still those who keep up the art.

    duke

     
  96. Jeff K Says:
    November 10th, 2008 at 5:37 pm

    I really don’t know what many of these posters are talking about. I use my laptop with Vista on it every day for Network Administration, Email, Web Design, Photo editing, Video ripping, etc..And i only reboot when i install an update that requires it, and sometimes i dont do that for days.

    Rarely i have an application that needs a restart, but my Vista has never locked up on me or been unstable enough for me to have to reboot.

    I DO agree that M$ needs to catch up on new features that *nix and OSX have had for years, and that they need to be innovators and not followers if they want to keep thier edge.

    Until i can find an OS that will allow me to do my daily job and my entertainment items, without having to have a virtual machine, a second pc, or shell out to another OS using an emulator, I’ll stick with Vista.

     
  97. Jeff K Says:
    November 10th, 2008 at 5:52 pm

    Already got a email on it so let me clarify, Some times I don’t reboot my machine for days after the update is installed.. Last time I rebooted my laptop had been running for 83 days. Was totally stable. I installed the updates needed and shut it down to move to a new house.
    I turned it back on August 6th and its been running since then, haven’t installed any updates that need a reboot so far, even tho there are a few up there.

     
  98. Sam Says:
    November 10th, 2008 at 9:00 pm

    OMG Mac OS X Dock anyone……

     
  99. Scott Says:
    November 10th, 2008 at 9:55 pm

    Firstly for home use Microsoft need to break away from trying to be backwards compatible. Apple did it with OSX and it worked. This way they can design a system that works as well as Linux, without the need for memory hogging security suites (mostly bloatware!)

    As a Windows user for many years I ditched it after using Vista for some time. Linux is a million times better than any version of Windows I’ve ever used. I don’t particularly like Mac’s but my housemate and girlfriend have one each. Guess what? Since I run Linux and they have Mac’s the amount of complaints about computers we all have have significantly reduced. More over we all get decent internet speeds that are not hindered by security suite software.

    I am currently taking a degree in Computing and have to say that having Linux has benefited me no end. It’s faster, more stable and all the tools I could ever want are in the repositories. No more crap trialware that needs paying for or cracking after 14 days.

    I get a full office suite “out of the box” which is better than the latest version of Office (the ribbon thing… what the hell)

    More over, I trust my computer. Can you honestly say that you trust everything that goes on in your machine running Windows?

    Plus with no licensing issues I can run Linux on my main PC, use the same disc on my laptop and bang, no activation rubbish! I even have a live bootable USB that I can throw into Uni’s PCs to run Ubuntu (Don’t get me started on their Windows installations!)

     
  100. Scott Says:
    November 10th, 2008 at 9:58 pm

    I just wanted to add something too: For enterprise, Linux beats Windows hands down on Virtualisation. I’ve done a lot of work in that area for research and trust me, Windows Virtualisation is many moons behind.

    P.S back to home users, Microsoft will surely try and rip off Compiz at some point, they must surely be jealous of it , I mean come on, Aero doesn’t come close

     
  101. Philip Corner Says:
    November 10th, 2008 at 11:39 pm

    I think the point that ALL the fanboys are missing is this: competition is good. For too long we’ve been stuck in the Microsoft Monopoly doldrums. I happen to use Linux, for personal reasons, but I won’t preach about it. I can see the appeal of both Windows and Mac and if they float your boat then that’s your choice. And choice is the keyword here. I think we should all be grateful that there’s now far more competetion in the marketplace, it will spurn development and innovation and keep everyone on their toes. May the best man win, so to speak. Moreover, I think that most rational people will agree that all of the systems touted here are now viable, none is perfect and they all come with their own pluses and minuses, be it cost, ease of use, compatibility etc. But the fact that so many companies are now competing over the pie can only be beneficial to users in the long term. You wouldn’t want one car manufacturer, why are you so desperate to have one software manufacturer?

     
  102. Mike Says:
    November 11th, 2008 at 12:01 pm

    Couldn’t they just introduce these aesthetic features into Vista? hello? And patch Vista so it’s muuuuch more memory friendly by default? I don’t see the purpose of W7 other than charging for new licenses and to make WinXP users to migrate to W7 (and make them pay, just once more time). PR and money all along, while it could be introduced perfectly into WinXP. I hate their business model.

     
  103. zjz Says:
    November 19th, 2008 at 4:30 am

    well, i’m currently using vista, but i totally hate the security alerts, after disabling UAC,
    Windows 7 UI would take time getting used to, but would be perfect for users who like beautiful UIs.

    but i feel that windows is focusing alot on display and neglecting performances. Vista is already using alot of memory just to display the effects, and file operations are taking a long time. therefore firstly in windows7, i hope they would be able to solve the slow processing speed, and also reduce the usage of ram, ( with vista currently using 40% of my 2gb ram)

    UAC should also be removed as i find it irritating, and it worsens the lagging of the computer, ( i know it can be disabled in vista but if it can actually be removed, why not?)

    Lets all hope for better performance in the upcoming windows 7!!!

     
  104. Jonthecomposer Says:
    February 4th, 2009 at 4:39 pm

    Ooooo!
    First, they copy compiz fusion’s “cube”, then they copy Apple. I smell a lawsuit somewhere!
    ; )

     
  105. Corner Shower Enclosure Says:
    December 29th, 2009 at 9:00 am

    Great comment, love the design of the site too.

     

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