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]]> By: Keith Jones http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/10/27/so-why-do-you-hate-windows-vista/comment-page-2/#comment-97135 Keith Jones Tue, 28 Jul 2009 08:52:23 +0000 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/?p=3864#comment-97135 I totally agree with the disgruntlement expressed about VISTA. To be asked several times if I want to proceed with an action that I initiated irritates every time it happens! It is slow! Despite adding extra memory to my laptop everything could still be done faster by a snail. I am always left speechless when an “open folder” action is followed by this great delay while VISTA populates the list representing the contents of the folder. And then, add to that, every so often you seek to do something with your computer, its settings or programs you get a Windows response “you dont have the security permission to carry out that action”. I’m continually surprised that nowhere in the world has someone tried to take a case court arguing that they have been sold a defective product or a product which not up to the task it is described to do in terms of commercial consumer protection law. I dont claim to be the most expert user, but I've tried applying recommended tweaks to improve performance and I'm still dissatisfied. I run "cleaner" and "speed up my machine" applications to try and keep the machine "tuned" but I am still dissatisfied. Heavens, it doesn't even manage to remember folder settings. This is a new-ish laptop I'm using (one year old) and I had no choice but to but VISTA with it. Everything I read online suggested reverting to an XP operating would be too complicated for me. Now I am seriously thinking of throwing this machine out of the window and buying a MAC! I totally agree with the disgruntlement expressed about VISTA. To be asked several times if I want to proceed with an action that I initiated irritates every time it happens! It is slow! Despite adding extra memory to my laptop everything could still be done faster by a snail. I am always left speechless when an “open folder” action is followed by this great delay while VISTA populates the list representing the contents of the folder. And then, add to that, every so often you seek to do something with your computer, its settings or programs you get a Windows response “you dont have the security permission to carry out that action”. I’m continually surprised that nowhere in the world has someone tried to take a case court arguing that they have been sold a defective product or a product which not up to the task it is described to do in terms of commercial consumer protection law.

I dont claim to be the most expert user, but I’ve tried applying recommended tweaks to improve performance and I’m still dissatisfied. I run “cleaner” and “speed up my machine” applications to try and keep the machine “tuned” but I am still dissatisfied. Heavens, it doesn’t even manage to remember folder settings. This is a new-ish laptop I’m using (one year old) and I had no choice but to but VISTA with it. Everything I read online suggested reverting to an XP operating would be too complicated for me. Now I am seriously thinking of throwing this machine out of the window and buying a MAC!

]]> By: Ruud Dalziel http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/10/27/so-why-do-you-hate-windows-vista/comment-page-1/#comment-73246 Ruud Dalziel Thu, 11 Jun 2009 17:32:01 +0000 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/?p=3864#comment-73246 I have perused many of the comments on this website and I guess there is an even split between those who favour Vista and those who do not. I have 2 Vista machines (don’t ask) and have just purchased a new Toshiba laptop and as a result of my frustrations downgraded it to XP. In the past I have recommended Vista to friends etc, my argument being that MS are not going to turn the clock back and say ‘hands up we made a mistake’ but honestly at times I just find it so infuriating, and I don’t want infuriating. I sometimes ask did someone really test this and then did someone sanction it? I guess most people writing here have grown up through the various incarnations of computing, and have discovered products and methods of working that they liked and then Vista comes along. I have described the situation to other like this - I think that since Windows 95 the product has become softer and less angular on each incarnation, it is in my view more visually appealing. I also think that for the average user it’s trying to make life easier, but for anybody doing anything remotely beyond the norm it has made life so much harder, it is so complex and in my view cumbersome. The tings that have driven me back to XP as an everyday work machine are these and they are only simple but they matter to me. Outlook Express – it takes ages for Windows Mail to load. I don’t want to use Outlook as I had bad experiences many years ago. The Organised Structure of the Address book in Outlook Express. I have searched and searched but can find away of either importing the addresses in a meaningful structure, or subsequently structuring the contacts “Windows Explorer” (I guess this is really a Vista installer issue) particularly putting files in locations other than those that I specify. Collapsing folder structures – I guess there is a way around this if I went for Classic menus? Forever confirming I want to copy and replace a file I also agree that Office 2007 is the work of the devil. To me Vista is a bit like the Nanny State, it tries to look after the average guy but in doing so infuriates those capable of looking after themselves. I have perused many of the comments on this website and I guess there is an even split between those who favour Vista and those who do not. I have 2 Vista machines (don’t ask) and have just purchased a new Toshiba laptop and as a result of my frustrations downgraded it to XP. In the past I have recommended Vista to friends etc, my argument being that MS are not going to turn the clock back and say ‘hands up we made a mistake’ but honestly at times I just find it so infuriating, and I don’t want infuriating. I sometimes ask did someone really test this and then did someone sanction it?
I guess most people writing here have grown up through the various incarnations of computing, and have discovered products and methods of working that they liked and then Vista comes along. I have described the situation to other like this – I think that since Windows 95 the product has become softer and less angular on each incarnation, it is in my view more visually appealing. I also think that for the average user it’s trying to make life easier, but for anybody doing anything remotely beyond the norm it has made life so much harder, it is so complex and in my view cumbersome.
The tings that have driven me back to XP as an everyday work machine are these and they are only simple but they matter to me.
Outlook Express – it takes ages for Windows Mail to load. I don’t want to use Outlook as I had bad experiences many years ago.
The Organised Structure of the Address book in Outlook Express. I have searched and searched but can find away of either importing the addresses in a meaningful structure, or subsequently structuring the contacts
“Windows Explorer” (I guess this is really a Vista installer issue) particularly putting files in locations other than those that I specify.
Collapsing folder structures – I guess there is a way around this if I went for Classic menus?
Forever confirming I want to copy and replace a file

I also agree that Office 2007 is the work of the devil.

To me Vista is a bit like the Nanny State, it tries to look after the average guy but in doing so infuriates those capable of looking after themselves.

]]> By: Jagjit Dusanjh http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/10/27/so-why-do-you-hate-windows-vista/comment-page-1/#comment-62989 Jagjit Dusanjh Thu, 28 May 2009 22:43:18 +0000 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/?p=3864#comment-62989 OK lets quote the author of this article... "What I do take issue with is people dismissing a whole operating system on the basis of broad-brush statements like “it’s rubbish”." So you dont like broad brush statements? Vista is/has Badly programmed Badly compiled Badly implemented Has Poor Networking Support Has security CRATERS (you MUST use 3rd party s/w to have even the most basic of security) Slow Resource Hogging Has no code sharing capabilities Anchored down with horrific DRM technologies Poor memory management Even worse process management Doesnt do what its told Riddled with architechtural ineptitude (ie the windows registry --> quite possibly the most absurd blunder in the history of operating system design) No adequate separation between kernel and user code No adequate separation between different types of code Planned obsolescense from day one The only operating system that can break if an application is installed by a guest user The only operating system that can break when you download one of their own updates The only operating system that crashes when connected to the internet Stuffed full of bugs and glitches In constant need of maintenance and repair Microsoft's achievements are impressive. They have single handedly educated an entire generation of pc users into thinking that 4 crashes a week is NORMAL Well, is that THIN enough for you? OK lets quote the author of this article…

“What I do take issue with is people dismissing a whole operating system on the basis of broad-brush statements like “it’s rubbish”.”

So you dont like broad brush statements?

Vista is/has

Badly programmed
Badly compiled
Badly implemented
Has Poor Networking Support
Has security CRATERS (you MUST use 3rd party s/w to have even the most basic of security)
Slow
Resource Hogging
Has no code sharing capabilities
Anchored down with horrific DRM technologies
Poor memory management
Even worse process management
Doesnt do what its told
Riddled with architechtural ineptitude (ie the windows registry –> quite possibly the most absurd blunder in the history of operating system design)
No adequate separation between kernel and user code
No adequate separation between different types of code
Planned obsolescense from day one
The only operating system that can break if an application is installed by a guest user
The only operating system that can break when you download one of their own updates
The only operating system that crashes when connected to the internet
Stuffed full of bugs and glitches
In constant need of maintenance and repair

Microsoft’s achievements are impressive.
They have single handedly educated an entire generation of pc users into thinking that 4 crashes a week is NORMAL

Well, is that THIN enough for you?

]]> By: Pete515 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/10/27/so-why-do-you-hate-windows-vista/comment-page-1/#comment-23221 Pete515 Sun, 28 Dec 2008 15:27:45 +0000 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/?p=3864#comment-23221 I really don't understand how any perceived benefit of Vista can outweigh its obvious faults. It is a bloated piece of software which annoys professional and home users equally - a quite remarkable feat. Try administering a Vista PC - quite often the Administrator account isn't sufficient for doing what YOU want to do. Try using Windows Explorer and navigate around that - sheer nightmare which gets thrown at you everytime you want to find your own folders - no I DON'T want everything thrown in the "User" folder, I want the right to be able to control my own hard disk without the OS obstructing or lecturing me every time I click a button. UAC - we all know what that stands for (U Are C***). I could go on but I'm curious to know what benefits these extreme annoyances are compensated by. A pretty interface which eats resources, a non stop search which is similarly useless, I'm expected to pay £100 for this?? I think not - I'm moving on to Ubuntu at the first opportunity.When Microsoft learn that the computer belongs to me and not their operating system I might return but until then nothing, but nothing is going to convince me that Vista is anything but a bloated turkey. I really don’t understand how any perceived benefit of Vista can outweigh its obvious faults. It is a bloated piece of software which annoys professional and home users equally – a quite remarkable feat. Try administering a Vista PC – quite often the Administrator account isn’t sufficient for doing what YOU want to do. Try using Windows Explorer and navigate around that – sheer nightmare which gets thrown at you everytime you want to find your own folders – no I DON’T want everything thrown in the “User” folder, I want the right to be able to control my own hard disk without the OS obstructing or lecturing me every time I click a button. UAC – we all know what that stands for (U Are C***). I could go on but I’m curious to know what benefits these extreme annoyances are compensated by. A pretty interface which eats resources, a non stop search which is similarly useless, I’m expected to pay £100 for this?? I think not – I’m moving on to Ubuntu at the first opportunity.When Microsoft learn that the computer belongs to me and not their operating system I might return but until then nothing, but nothing is going to convince me that Vista is anything but a bloated turkey.

]]> By: SamC http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/10/27/so-why-do-you-hate-windows-vista/comment-page-1/#comment-16203 SamC Mon, 10 Nov 2008 15:43:35 +0000 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/?p=3864#comment-16203 BrianL "downgraded" his TZ21 from Vista to XP. I did this on an older Sony ltraportable, when Sony supported this kind of activity, but now they won't for the TZ21 which is impossibly slow on Vista - why do these companies release machines equipped witih components (eg 1GB std memory) that is wholly incompatible with the supplied OS? Trade descriptions? Fit for purpose? Anyway, if Brian should read this, could you be persuaded to publish instructions for the downgrade? I fear if I try "unguided", I will end up with what another contributor described as a paperweight! BrianL “downgraded” his TZ21 from Vista to XP. I did this on an older Sony ltraportable, when Sony supported this kind of activity, but now they won’t for the TZ21 which is impossibly slow on Vista – why do these companies release machines equipped witih components (eg 1GB std memory) that is wholly incompatible with the supplied OS? Trade descriptions? Fit for purpose?

Anyway, if Brian should read this, could you be persuaded to publish instructions for the downgrade? I fear if I try “unguided”, I will end up with what another contributor described as a paperweight!

]]> By: RK http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/10/27/so-why-do-you-hate-windows-vista/comment-page-1/#comment-16101 RK Sun, 09 Nov 2008 13:27:25 +0000 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/?p=3864#comment-16101 Did I see someone say they compared Vista performance to their ME machine? Ah... em... umm.... what?!? Next you'll tell me they're running on identical hardware, right? The problem with VIista: BLOAT!!!! It's been a Windows peave for years. The one-size-doesn't quite-fit... installation that dumps 3gigs of crap onboard that NO ONE ever uses. And its a gift that keeps giving-- I have to patch security holes in integrated apps NO ONE ever uses, so every round of updates and services packs is just as bloated. Ask yourself, why does the average user get nearly the same user experience from a handheld version of Windows--tipping the scales at 2mb--as they do from a corporate desktop? So why does every corporation in America have to spend millions updating hardware to support Vista?? Aha! They don't, and they're not! And would someone please find the twit at MS who thinks all people do all day is search for files--find this twit, stuff him in a bottle and throw him in the ocean!! I don't need my PC continuously burning 30% of system resources exhaustively cataloging all those files that NO ONE ever uses!! If you use the product out the box, all your files get stored in easy to use default locations. If you modify the defaults, you're probably also quite capable of find a file for yourself in a reasonable amount of time. DUMP THE INDEXING CRAP YOU IDIOTS. As a net admin, if I get my hands on the twit who suggsted standard desktop users should have the option to index mapped NETWORK DRIVES.... that guy would be safer in a bottle in the ocean. Sorry if I rehashed a couple points. I needed to vent. Did I see someone say they compared Vista performance to their ME machine? Ah… em… umm…. what?!? Next you’ll tell me they’re running on identical hardware, right?

The problem with VIista: BLOAT!!!!

It’s been a Windows peave for years. The one-size-doesn’t quite-fit… installation that dumps 3gigs of crap onboard that NO ONE ever uses. And its a gift that keeps giving– I have to patch security holes in integrated apps NO ONE ever uses, so every round of updates and services packs is just as bloated.

Ask yourself, why does the average user get nearly the same user experience from a handheld version of Windows–tipping the scales at 2mb–as they do from a corporate desktop? So why does every corporation in America have to spend millions updating hardware to support Vista?? Aha! They don’t, and they’re not!

And would someone please find the twit at MS who thinks all people do all day is search for files–find this twit, stuff him in a bottle and throw him in the ocean!! I don’t need my PC continuously burning 30% of system resources exhaustively cataloging all those files that NO ONE ever uses!! If you use the product out the box, all your files get stored in easy to use default locations. If you modify the defaults, you’re probably also quite capable of find a file for yourself in a reasonable amount of time. DUMP THE INDEXING CRAP YOU IDIOTS.

As a net admin, if I get my hands on the twit who suggsted standard desktop users should have the option to index mapped NETWORK DRIVES…. that guy would be safer in a bottle in the ocean.

Sorry if I rehashed a couple points. I needed to vent.

]]> By: Chevy http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/10/27/so-why-do-you-hate-windows-vista/comment-page-1/#comment-15597 Chevy Mon, 03 Nov 2008 21:25:44 +0000 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/?p=3864#comment-15597 Received my (Dell Inspiron 1525) laptop Friday, 10/31, (with Windows Vista Ultimate) and had time to explore it over the weekend. It actually runs better than my XP, start up time is fractionally slower, but I usually put it in sleep mode so that is not a problem. It definately is more user friendly to me, I love they way the control panel is laid out. The parental account settings are super easy to use. The dock is really nice, I hate icons on my desktop. Still getting use to the folders, and navigating b/w them. The graphics are awesome... I am not a gamer, but I still went for the 4 gb of ram. My graphics that are displayed are very fine tuned and I have had to tweak the brightness and contrast to get them to match my XP. UCA is a bit annoying, but as much time as I was on it this weekend it does not bother me anymore. I agree it is very similar to XP, but also different. Personally there are only a few things that I would tweak to make it more user friendly to ME, but I can live with it the way it is. Received my (Dell Inspiron 1525) laptop Friday, 10/31, (with Windows Vista Ultimate) and had time to explore it over the weekend. It actually runs better than my XP, start up time is fractionally slower, but I usually put it in sleep mode so that is not a problem. It definately is more user friendly to me, I love they way the control panel is laid out. The parental account settings are super easy to use. The dock is really nice, I hate icons on my desktop. Still getting use to the folders, and navigating b/w them. The graphics are awesome… I am not a gamer, but I still went for the 4 gb of ram. My graphics that are displayed are very fine tuned and I have had to tweak the brightness and contrast to get them to match my XP. UCA is a bit annoying, but as much time as I was on it this weekend it does not bother me anymore. I agree it is very similar to XP, but also different. Personally there are only a few things that I would tweak to make it more user friendly to ME, but I can live with it the way it is.

]]> By: Kneff http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/10/27/so-why-do-you-hate-windows-vista/comment-page-1/#comment-15468 Kneff Sat, 01 Nov 2008 11:38:29 +0000 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/?p=3864#comment-15468 Vista is for sure the slowest OP ive ever been using. Even ME / 2000 is better than this crap. 1. why do u say vist runs smooth with 2gb ram? it dosent, since it uses about 1gbram just to run. and if u are a GAMER like me, u need ATLEAST 2gb of ram for u game.. so 2gbram is ok for vista??? NOT! 4gb of ram and u are fine, OHHH NOOOOOOOOO then u need vista 64bit, since the CRAPPY vista 32 shit dont support more than 3,3gb of ram. FAILURE!! 2. Why the hell cant u just turn off all the crap vista is running without being a major nerd?? well for me its no problem, but it still took me some time to figure how to set it up for gaming usage. And this would NEVER be done by a "normal" user. 3. Why do we pay for a program thats worse than a virus? Its easier to get rid of a virus than vista , again a clearly faliure from windows. They give us a product thats not working as intended and still we have to PAY for it?? so who is the developers of vista?? the users or windows?? i for sure wont buy anything from windows again. Open solaris / Linus / Unix FTW! Windows say farewell. Vista is for sure the slowest OP ive ever been using. Even ME / 2000 is better than this crap.

1. why do u say vist runs smooth with 2gb ram? it dosent, since it uses about 1gbram just to run. and if u are a GAMER like me, u need ATLEAST 2gb of ram for u game.. so 2gbram is ok for vista??? NOT! 4gb of ram and u are fine, OHHH NOOOOOOOOO then u need vista 64bit, since the CRAPPY vista 32 shit dont support more than 3,3gb of ram. FAILURE!!

2. Why the hell cant u just turn off all the crap vista is running without being a major nerd?? well for me its no problem, but it still took me some time to figure how to set it up for gaming usage. And this would NEVER be done by a “normal” user.

3. Why do we pay for a program thats worse than a virus? Its easier to get rid of a virus than vista , again a clearly faliure from windows. They give us a product thats not working as intended and still we have to PAY for it?? so who is the developers of vista?? the users or windows?? i for sure wont buy anything from windows again. Open solaris / Linus / Unix FTW! Windows say farewell.

]]> By: Gary Nored http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/10/27/so-why-do-you-hate-windows-vista/comment-page-1/#comment-15447 Gary Nored Sat, 01 Nov 2008 03:55:40 +0000 http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/?p=3864#comment-15447 Vista is slow. Slow, slow, slow. In fact, on my new laptop XP runs faster in a virtual machine inside Linux than Vista does in a direct install. File copying is glacial. I don't want my computer to look cuter, I want it to run better, and faster is a significant part of the "better" equation. Maybe in Windows 7 ....... Vista is slow. Slow, slow, slow. In fact, on my new laptop XP runs faster in a virtual machine inside Linux than Vista does in a direct install. File copying is glacial. I don’t want my computer to look cuter, I want it to run better, and faster is a significant part of the “better” equation.

Maybe in Windows 7 …….

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