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		<title>By: Ajax Max</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/09/30/home-computing-in-the-office/comment-page-1/#comment-9933</link>
		<dc:creator>Ajax Max</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>CP, you appear to be exactly the sort of runaway IT hack that is the real source of the whole security problem.  You should remember that none of your policies, virus scans, and so on actually help with security and in reality only throw the company&#039;s money away on software and waste employees&#039; productive time on waiting for braindead &quot;security&quot; processes to run on their systems.  If a large user base can not be trusted (in a work environment) the company with the large user base has outgrown its ability to manage itself and is on an inevitable ride down the crapper.  You should resign while there are still enough other dimwitted companies left that you have a chance at finding another job before they all collapse.  Otherwise you will be stuck having to accept some sort of janitorial position, probably in a prison or psych ward.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>CP, you appear to be exactly the sort of runaway IT hack that is the real source of the whole security problem.  You should remember that none of your policies, virus scans, and so on actually help with security and in reality only throw the company&#8217;s money away on software and waste employees&#8217; productive time on waiting for braindead &#8220;security&#8221; processes to run on their systems.  If a large user base can not be trusted (in a work environment) the company with the large user base has outgrown its ability to manage itself and is on an inevitable ride down the crapper.  You should resign while there are still enough other dimwitted companies left that you have a chance at finding another job before they all collapse.  Otherwise you will be stuck having to accept some sort of janitorial position, probably in a prison or psych ward.</p>
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		<title>By: R P</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/09/30/home-computing-in-the-office/comment-page-1/#comment-9930</link>
		<dc:creator>R P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 18:10:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Chris_B has so clearly demonstrated, lack of an understanding of the real issue runs rampant across most of the corporations and groups in the US.  If someone buys an MP3 player at a flea market and is just too incompetent to be trusted bringing it to work, WHY IS HE USING A COMPUTER IN A CRITICAL HOSPITAL OR GOVERNMENT JOB?  If he can not safely operate an MP3 player, he certainly can not be a real genius at operating a system-critical PC and should not be expected to without adequate training.  There is no way to make something idiot-proof,  and trying to do so only results in producing a more intelligence-resistant strain of idiot.  Frankly, most IT departments are swamped with them already (see any of the previous responses declaring, &quot;We need lockdown!&quot;  &quot;We need lockdown!&quot; for anecdotal evidence of this phenomenon in action).

This is, for some reason, a particularly widespread issue in the US (the whole &quot;can&#039;t trust anyone&quot; approach to employee management, not just the super-idiot epidemic).  I have worked in Norway, Denmark, Holland, and many other places in Europe and, as EuroCoder says, things are different.  People are expected to use their best judgment and discretion in doing their jobs effectively, and in exchange for this are actually allowed to do so.  Those who are not skilled enough to work in an office with functional, open PCs around without endangering the company or its assets are not expected to without more training and experience.  An individual&#039;s sense of responsibilithy for his own actions --- to himself, fellow employees, the company and the community --- is all the security that is needed to more or less eliminate the risk of someone jeopardizing the company&#039;s property when they are not sure if it is safe.  The integrity an employee would show by going to the IT department to ask if using an MP3 player is safe is rewarded with being allowed to (even helped to) if it actually is harmless.  

In the US, anyone that went to an IT department anywhere and asked, &quot;Is it safe to use this MP3 player?&quot; would be told either:  that it is a policy violation; that the MP3 player is not on the list of approved devices;  that his manager would have to review and approve it after it was sent off and returned from 9 xray scans and a complete de-soldering; or (the worst answer possible but also the most frequent) &quot;I&#039;m updating our virus data....  Uhhh, I won&#039;t be able to do anything until I fix the Exchange server that got broke in the update, and then reboot the WebSense server that got broke because the system virus scanner deleted the WebSense blacklist and then the AV scanner got shutdown and maybe broke by the firewall because it looked like it tried to access port 25 but it didn&#039;t and now the AD server has broke because it thought the AV scanner violated domain policy and....&quot;  Genetically-modified idiot.  If there is any one crop that Europe should continue to ban importing from the US, it is the GM-idiot.

Why are Americans so afraid of everything?  Afraid of IT security, afraid to take a walk at night, afraid of guns, afraid of not having a gun, afraid of unbottled water, afraid of water bottles, afraid of lying, afraid of being really honest, afraid that any non-English language is just a trick to talk about us and hatch plots, afraid to leave home, afraid to stay home (with or without a gun), afraid of killer bees, afraid of anything unpasteurized, afraid that e-coli is a micro-terrorist, afraid of paying living wages to meat-handlers to help avoid e-coli epidemics, afraid of meat-handlers.  If someone can answer that question, the question of IT security will be answered, also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Chris_B has so clearly demonstrated, lack of an understanding of the real issue runs rampant across most of the corporations and groups in the US.  If someone buys an MP3 player at a flea market and is just too incompetent to be trusted bringing it to work, WHY IS HE USING A COMPUTER IN A CRITICAL HOSPITAL OR GOVERNMENT JOB?  If he can not safely operate an MP3 player, he certainly can not be a real genius at operating a system-critical PC and should not be expected to without adequate training.  There is no way to make something idiot-proof,  and trying to do so only results in producing a more intelligence-resistant strain of idiot.  Frankly, most IT departments are swamped with them already (see any of the previous responses declaring, &#8220;We need lockdown!&#8221;  &#8220;We need lockdown!&#8221; for anecdotal evidence of this phenomenon in action).</p>
<p>This is, for some reason, a particularly widespread issue in the US (the whole &#8220;can&#8217;t trust anyone&#8221; approach to employee management, not just the super-idiot epidemic).  I have worked in Norway, Denmark, Holland, and many other places in Europe and, as EuroCoder says, things are different.  People are expected to use their best judgment and discretion in doing their jobs effectively, and in exchange for this are actually allowed to do so.  Those who are not skilled enough to work in an office with functional, open PCs around without endangering the company or its assets are not expected to without more training and experience.  An individual&#8217;s sense of responsibilithy for his own actions &#8212; to himself, fellow employees, the company and the community &#8212; is all the security that is needed to more or less eliminate the risk of someone jeopardizing the company&#8217;s property when they are not sure if it is safe.  The integrity an employee would show by going to the IT department to ask if using an MP3 player is safe is rewarded with being allowed to (even helped to) if it actually is harmless.  </p>
<p>In the US, anyone that went to an IT department anywhere and asked, &#8220;Is it safe to use this MP3 player?&#8221; would be told either:  that it is a policy violation; that the MP3 player is not on the list of approved devices;  that his manager would have to review and approve it after it was sent off and returned from 9 xray scans and a complete de-soldering; or (the worst answer possible but also the most frequent) &#8220;I&#8217;m updating our virus data&#8230;.  Uhhh, I won&#8217;t be able to do anything until I fix the Exchange server that got broke in the update, and then reboot the WebSense server that got broke because the system virus scanner deleted the WebSense blacklist and then the AV scanner got shutdown and maybe broke by the firewall because it looked like it tried to access port 25 but it didn&#8217;t and now the AD server has broke because it thought the AV scanner violated domain policy and&#8230;.&#8221;  Genetically-modified idiot.  If there is any one crop that Europe should continue to ban importing from the US, it is the GM-idiot.</p>
<p>Why are Americans so afraid of everything?  Afraid of IT security, afraid to take a walk at night, afraid of guns, afraid of not having a gun, afraid of unbottled water, afraid of water bottles, afraid of lying, afraid of being really honest, afraid that any non-English language is just a trick to talk about us and hatch plots, afraid to leave home, afraid to stay home (with or without a gun), afraid of killer bees, afraid of anything unpasteurized, afraid that e-coli is a micro-terrorist, afraid of paying living wages to meat-handlers to help avoid e-coli epidemics, afraid of meat-handlers.  If someone can answer that question, the question of IT security will be answered, also.</p>
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		<title>By: CP</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/09/30/home-computing-in-the-office/comment-page-1/#comment-9906</link>
		<dc:creator>CP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:50:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with large user bases, is that they cannot be trusted.  Period.  A saavy individual will understand the need to connect multiple devices to a machine, and know how to mitigate the risk down to an acceptable level (A/V scans, avoid sketchy sites, know .vbs from .exe etc.).  The bulk of the userbase within an office environment is NOT saavy.  (Hence the need for an IT department.)  They will try to plug in anything they think they can get away with, and are genuinely surprised when I show up to tell them their account has been suspended due to introduced malware.  I imagine, one might feel differently if their doctor or lawyer had lax security positions.  Especially when your medical records or inheritance were lost, then found preventable in the courts.

If anyone knows of a programmatic way to lock down USB ports, or to auto A/V scan new drives as they are mounted (preferrably before users are allowed access), I&#039;m all ears.  I am stuck with Symantec unfortunately.  Currently user/group policy prevents devices from being installed without admin authentication, which works 80% of the time.  However some of our users have identical devices at home PDAs etc., and policy lockdown does not differentiate between home/work devices.  Once that PDA is installed, any other handset will connect without needing authentication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with large user bases, is that they cannot be trusted.  Period.  A saavy individual will understand the need to connect multiple devices to a machine, and know how to mitigate the risk down to an acceptable level (A/V scans, avoid sketchy sites, know .vbs from .exe etc.).  The bulk of the userbase within an office environment is NOT saavy.  (Hence the need for an IT department.)  They will try to plug in anything they think they can get away with, and are genuinely surprised when I show up to tell them their account has been suspended due to introduced malware.  I imagine, one might feel differently if their doctor or lawyer had lax security positions.  Especially when your medical records or inheritance were lost, then found preventable in the courts.</p>
<p>If anyone knows of a programmatic way to lock down USB ports, or to auto A/V scan new drives as they are mounted (preferrably before users are allowed access), I&#8217;m all ears.  I am stuck with Symantec unfortunately.  Currently user/group policy prevents devices from being installed without admin authentication, which works 80% of the time.  However some of our users have identical devices at home PDAs etc., and policy lockdown does not differentiate between home/work devices.  Once that PDA is installed, any other handset will connect without needing authentication.</p>
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		<title>By: all_about_trust</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/09/30/home-computing-in-the-office/comment-page-1/#comment-9900</link>
		<dc:creator>all_about_trust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 13:33:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chris_B - attitude, not regulation, is key. Take hospitals - regulations are tighter now than they were 50 years ago, and yet C-diff and MSRA are problems right now. Why is that? Perhaps it&#039;s because cleanliness is seen as a supply-side budget line rather than a clinical necessity for sick patients. It&#039;s certainly disingenous to point at legal requirements and suggest they&#039;re working just fine, and more regulation will help if it&#039;s necessary - because it would seem that they&#039;re not doing the job.

You can hide behind rules and regulations all you like, but it&#039;s behaviours and attitudes that will work in the long term.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chris_B &#8211; attitude, not regulation, is key. Take hospitals &#8211; regulations are tighter now than they were 50 years ago, and yet C-diff and MSRA are problems right now. Why is that? Perhaps it&#8217;s because cleanliness is seen as a supply-side budget line rather than a clinical necessity for sick patients. It&#8217;s certainly disingenous to point at legal requirements and suggest they&#8217;re working just fine, and more regulation will help if it&#8217;s necessary &#8211; because it would seem that they&#8217;re not doing the job.</p>
<p>You can hide behind rules and regulations all you like, but it&#8217;s behaviours and attitudes that will work in the long term.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris_B</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/09/30/home-computing-in-the-office/comment-page-1/#comment-9888</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris_B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:37:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m going to guess that the people above who left replies objecting to PC lockdowns dont work in regulated companies. Its all fine and dandy if you work for Aaron&#039;s Auto Body to allow people to plug in whatever virus laden gadget they just got from a flea market or install the latest time waster software, but once its a hospital, bank, or government agency, locking down your ports and web access is a must. 

There are ways to do PC lockdown with 3rd party tools or with Windows Group Policy or both. Any competent firewall admin is already blocking most outbound ports anyway.

One of the worst things MS ever did for corporate security was to have an icon named &quot;My Computer&quot;. At work, its not your computer, its the company&#039;s computer and they can do what they want with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m going to guess that the people above who left replies objecting to PC lockdowns dont work in regulated companies. Its all fine and dandy if you work for Aaron&#8217;s Auto Body to allow people to plug in whatever virus laden gadget they just got from a flea market or install the latest time waster software, but once its a hospital, bank, or government agency, locking down your ports and web access is a must. </p>
<p>There are ways to do PC lockdown with 3rd party tools or with Windows Group Policy or both. Any competent firewall admin is already blocking most outbound ports anyway.</p>
<p>One of the worst things MS ever did for corporate security was to have an icon named &#8220;My Computer&#8221;. At work, its not your computer, its the company&#8217;s computer and they can do what they want with it.</p>
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		<title>By: David Wright</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/09/30/home-computing-in-the-office/comment-page-1/#comment-9885</link>
		<dc:creator>David Wright</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 10:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The advertising agency where I currently work is the first where carrying MP3 players has been acceptable. 

In most companies I&#039;ve worked for, listening to music was a definite no-no. I hated it, when I was out in the general pool office, sitting there listening to 6 different MP3 tracks at the same time, all played through headphones, way too loud! It is a real concentration breaker and productivity sapper.

Most companies I&#039;ve worked at allowed mobile &#039;phones, but only if they didn&#039;t have a camera in - company policies in place since before mobile &#039;phones or digital cameras banned all photographic equipment. This was an important security precaution for most of the big companies, especially in the R&amp;D departments, so if you were fool enough to get a mobile with a camera, you had to expect leave it in the car or hand it in at reception, when coming on site.

To be honest, I find it harder to work in the office which are more &quot;liberal&quot; in their attitudes to things like mobiles and music players than in a traditional office atmosphere...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The advertising agency where I currently work is the first where carrying MP3 players has been acceptable. </p>
<p>In most companies I&#8217;ve worked for, listening to music was a definite no-no. I hated it, when I was out in the general pool office, sitting there listening to 6 different MP3 tracks at the same time, all played through headphones, way too loud! It is a real concentration breaker and productivity sapper.</p>
<p>Most companies I&#8217;ve worked at allowed mobile &#8216;phones, but only if they didn&#8217;t have a camera in &#8211; company policies in place since before mobile &#8216;phones or digital cameras banned all photographic equipment. This was an important security precaution for most of the big companies, especially in the R&amp;D departments, so if you were fool enough to get a mobile with a camera, you had to expect leave it in the car or hand it in at reception, when coming on site.</p>
<p>To be honest, I find it harder to work in the office which are more &#8220;liberal&#8221; in their attitudes to things like mobiles and music players than in a traditional office atmosphere&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: all_about_trust</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/09/30/home-computing-in-the-office/comment-page-1/#comment-9879</link>
		<dc:creator>all_about_trust</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>security policies in IT are, almost without exception, a joke. would ops chain employees to their desks to ensure that workers don&#039;t prop open fire doors with the extinguisher? of course they wouldn&#039;t. yet many IT security policies are doing just that with technology - &quot;here is your tech, but we&#039;ve disabled most of the interesting and useful stuff, because we&#039;ve decided that you cannot be trusted.&quot; hardly ideal for fostering new ideas or trust within a business, but great if you want a disinterested and resentful user base.

where draconian policy does work - in workplaces where safety is paramount - it is self evident that it&#039;s a good idea to use the guard when operating the industrial lathe and so on. perhaps, becuase the example set by gov&#039;t and big business in relation to data security is so lax, people are less inclined to believe in the importance of IT security? could that be it?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>security policies in IT are, almost without exception, a joke. would ops chain employees to their desks to ensure that workers don&#8217;t prop open fire doors with the extinguisher? of course they wouldn&#8217;t. yet many IT security policies are doing just that with technology &#8211; &#8220;here is your tech, but we&#8217;ve disabled most of the interesting and useful stuff, because we&#8217;ve decided that you cannot be trusted.&#8221; hardly ideal for fostering new ideas or trust within a business, but great if you want a disinterested and resentful user base.</p>
<p>where draconian policy does work &#8211; in workplaces where safety is paramount &#8211; it is self evident that it&#8217;s a good idea to use the guard when operating the industrial lathe and so on. perhaps, becuase the example set by gov&#8217;t and big business in relation to data security is so lax, people are less inclined to believe in the importance of IT security? could that be it?</p>
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		<title>By: EuroCoder</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/09/30/home-computing-in-the-office/comment-page-1/#comment-9873</link>
		<dc:creator>EuroCoder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Oct 2008 09:19:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if this is a cultural difference, but I work in Scandinavia, and personally I would switch company instantly if they tried to establish some kind of rules or policies to limit what I do while I&#039;m not productive. We all need our small breaks, and by interfering with those the company would only erode my loyalty to them. The efficiency of most &quot;office&quot; jobs can&#039;t really be measured easily, if I spend some time writing this rant it&#039;s probably not away from my current project - I just need some time to vent my brain and approach problems from different angles.

They pay my salary, and in return I get the job done. The rest of the time I expect them to respect my privacy. If I can&#039;t trust the company not to snoop my browsing, time use or email I&#039;m one step closer to leaving and taking whatever I consider my intellectual property (experience, code, whatever) with me... The company wants employees they can trust, but also the employees need to trust the company to play fair. Every inch towards a 1984 workplace makes me seriously consider going contractor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know if this is a cultural difference, but I work in Scandinavia, and personally I would switch company instantly if they tried to establish some kind of rules or policies to limit what I do while I&#8217;m not productive. We all need our small breaks, and by interfering with those the company would only erode my loyalty to them. The efficiency of most &#8220;office&#8221; jobs can&#8217;t really be measured easily, if I spend some time writing this rant it&#8217;s probably not away from my current project &#8211; I just need some time to vent my brain and approach problems from different angles.</p>
<p>They pay my salary, and in return I get the job done. The rest of the time I expect them to respect my privacy. If I can&#8217;t trust the company not to snoop my browsing, time use or email I&#8217;m one step closer to leaving and taking whatever I consider my intellectual property (experience, code, whatever) with me&#8230; The company wants employees they can trust, but also the employees need to trust the company to play fair. Every inch towards a 1984 workplace makes me seriously consider going contractor.</p>
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		<title>By: Taz</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/09/30/home-computing-in-the-office/comment-page-1/#comment-9837</link>
		<dc:creator>Taz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 19:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not in agreement with the root cause analysis portrayed in this article. I don&#039;t think devices are to be blamed. I think if the policies clearly describe what type of data can be transferred and what type of activity is permitted in the work environment, the staff should be able to take appropriate measures. However, a &#039;when in doubt contact the IT group&#039; phrase would help those who are not aware of technical/security risks posed by applications (e.g. IM) and devices (e.g. MP3 players and unencrypted USB keys).

If a company exposes high-risk data to employees who cannot be trusted and then expects a PC/data lock-down would help, they should seriously rethink their HR hiring principles/policies.

Bottom line... spending the time and effort in properly educating employees about security issues and values in the work place is the best way to &#039;tech-proof&#039; the IT Security policies.

I guess I should get back to my work now!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not in agreement with the root cause analysis portrayed in this article. I don&#8217;t think devices are to be blamed. I think if the policies clearly describe what type of data can be transferred and what type of activity is permitted in the work environment, the staff should be able to take appropriate measures. However, a &#8216;when in doubt contact the IT group&#8217; phrase would help those who are not aware of technical/security risks posed by applications (e.g. IM) and devices (e.g. MP3 players and unencrypted USB keys).</p>
<p>If a company exposes high-risk data to employees who cannot be trusted and then expects a PC/data lock-down would help, they should seriously rethink their HR hiring principles/policies.</p>
<p>Bottom line&#8230; spending the time and effort in properly educating employees about security issues and values in the work place is the best way to &#8216;tech-proof&#8217; the IT Security policies.</p>
<p>I guess I should get back to my work now!</p>
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		<title>By: heh</title>
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		<dc:creator>heh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2008 18:04:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don LaFontaine voice &quot;In a world, where at least half your friends and family telecommute and wash their laundry while waiting for confirmation emails on projects...why should anyone mid career or higher tolerate draconian, indenture-style IT policies?&quot;

Software and hardware need to be based around real assessed confidentiality threats, not around reactive bottom-up self-management principles.

&quot;In a world where about 50% of managers never obtained an MBA and don&#039;t know how to take accurate performance metrics...Websense based guilt tripping has become the new metric.&quot;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_X_and_theory_Y</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don LaFontaine voice &#8220;In a world, where at least half your friends and family telecommute and wash their laundry while waiting for confirmation emails on projects&#8230;why should anyone mid career or higher tolerate draconian, indenture-style IT policies?&#8221;</p>
<p>Software and hardware need to be based around real assessed confidentiality threats, not around reactive bottom-up self-management principles.</p>
<p>&#8220;In a world where about 50% of managers never obtained an MBA and don&#8217;t know how to take accurate performance metrics&#8230;Websense based guilt tripping has become the new metric.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_X_and_theory_Y" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theory_X_and_theory_Y</a></p>
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