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		<title>By: Recommended software at recommended prices &#124; PC Pro blog</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/06/23/standing-up-to-uk-rip-off-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-96919</link>
		<dc:creator>Recommended software at recommended prices &#124; PC Pro blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Jul 2009 14:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] is made between Nitro PDF Professional&#8217;s discounted price of $50 and a dollar conversion of Adobe&#8217;s rip-off UK pricing of £275 that means that you can actually buy around nine copies of Nitro PDF Professional for [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] is made between Nitro PDF Professional&#8217;s discounted price of $50 and a dollar conversion of Adobe&#8217;s rip-off UK pricing of £275 that means that you can actually buy around nine copies of Nitro PDF Professional for [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adobe’s Bargain UK Pricing? &#124; PC Pro blog</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/06/23/standing-up-to-uk-rip-off-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-31799</link>
		<dc:creator>Adobe’s Bargain UK Pricing? &#124; PC Pro blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Danton, had been so incensed by the pricing difference for Acrobat 9 Pro Extended that he started a rip-off pricing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Danton, had been so incensed by the pricing difference for Acrobat 9 Pro Extended that he started a rip-off pricing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adobe’s Bargain UK Pricing? &#124; PC Pro blog</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/06/23/standing-up-to-uk-rip-off-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-31800</link>
		<dc:creator>Adobe’s Bargain UK Pricing? &#124; PC Pro blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 16:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Danton, had been so incensed by the pricing difference for Acrobat 9 Pro Extended that he started a rip-off pricing [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Danton, had been so incensed by the pricing difference for Acrobat 9 Pro Extended that he started a rip-off pricing [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Junket</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/06/23/standing-up-to-uk-rip-off-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-4398</link>
		<dc:creator>Junket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 07:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aha!  The 21% is because the software is downloaded from Ireland - the VAT rate in Ireland is 21%.  I can&#039;t argue with that!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aha!  The 21% is because the software is downloaded from Ireland &#8211; the VAT rate in Ireland is 21%.  I can&#8217;t argue with that!</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Danton</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/06/23/standing-up-to-uk-rip-off-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-4338</link>
		<dc:creator>Tim Danton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 17:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Junket No, VAT hasn&#039;t changed - but the odd way that all these shenanigans work means that if a company is registered in a country (in this case Ireland for the European arm of Adobe) then you&#039;re liable for that country&#039;s VAT charges. You can claim it back if you&#039;re a VAT-registered business, not if you&#039;re an individual.

There&#039;s an interesting argument about this (and more) over on the Adobe forums too:

http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?14@@.59b5f71e/13</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Junket No, VAT hasn&#8217;t changed &#8211; but the odd way that all these shenanigans work means that if a company is registered in a country (in this case Ireland for the European arm of Adobe) then you&#8217;re liable for that country&#8217;s VAT charges. You can claim it back if you&#8217;re a VAT-registered business, not if you&#8217;re an individual.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s an interesting argument about this (and more) over on the Adobe forums too:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?14@@.59b5f71e/13" rel="nofollow">http://www.adobeforums.com/webx?14@@.59b5f71e/13</a></p>
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		<title>By: Junket</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/06/23/standing-up-to-uk-rip-off-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-4332</link>
		<dc:creator>Junket</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2008 16:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This isn&#039;t regarding Acrobat, but another Adobe product: Lightroom.  

I am a happy user of Adobe Lightroom 1.  This week they released a significant upgrade which includes some useful enhancements.  I went to purchase the upgrade, knowing full well that Adobe&#039;s upgrades aren&#039;t &quot;cheap&quot;.  However, when putting the upgrade into my &quot;shopping cart&quot; I noticed that the VAT rate they are charging is 21%!  Have I missed something somewhere or has VAT suddenly changed - is this fraudulent activity on their behalf?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This isn&#8217;t regarding Acrobat, but another Adobe product: Lightroom.  </p>
<p>I am a happy user of Adobe Lightroom 1.  This week they released a significant upgrade which includes some useful enhancements.  I went to purchase the upgrade, knowing full well that Adobe&#8217;s upgrades aren&#8217;t &#8220;cheap&#8221;.  However, when putting the upgrade into my &#8220;shopping cart&#8221; I noticed that the VAT rate they are charging is 21%!  Have I missed something somewhere or has VAT suddenly changed &#8211; is this fraudulent activity on their behalf?</p>
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		<title>By: Gindylow</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/06/23/standing-up-to-uk-rip-off-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-1611</link>
		<dc:creator>Gindylow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 12:32:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d say its a fair position John, because it is only pricing that&#039;s under the spotlight for criticism in this case. The software is excellent AFAIK.

IF we were looking at Photoshop or Ilustrator, then I would be wanting the Mag to mention how buggy the product can be for many users also, but that&#039;s a different product for a different thread.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d say its a fair position John, because it is only pricing that&#8217;s under the spotlight for criticism in this case. The software is excellent AFAIK.</p>
<p>IF we were looking at Photoshop or Ilustrator, then I would be wanting the Mag to mention how buggy the product can be for many users also, but that&#8217;s a different product for a different thread.</p>
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		<title>By: John Sanderson</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/06/23/standing-up-to-uk-rip-off-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-1545</link>
		<dc:creator>John Sanderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 09:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me or doesn&#039;t the phrase &quot;...regretfully we won’t be giving Acrobat 9 the Recommended award it deserves in each and every other way.&quot; amount to a recommendation by PC PRO anyway?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me or doesn&#8217;t the phrase &#8220;&#8230;regretfully we won’t be giving Acrobat 9 the Recommended award it deserves in each and every other way.&#8221; amount to a recommendation by PC PRO anyway?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Goodenough</title>
		<link>http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2008/06/23/standing-up-to-uk-rip-off-prices/comment-page-1/#comment-1410</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Goodenough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why Educational Discount on software is a good thing ~~~

Like many in the UK, I view the cost of software with horror.  And I agree, it is not the cost of production and distribution that drives the UK prices, but rather &quot;what the market will bear&quot;.  
Fortunately, not only am I a teacher, I have two children in education.  Therefore I qualify in spades for educational discount on software.  And this does bring the price down to a reasonable level.  
Of course it is done for a reason ~ hearts and minds; able users in the market place; expectations set for the work environment to name a few.  
Educational software is not ment for commercial use.  But the licence does not run out when the student leaves education.  And students can continue to upgrade from the educational version after they have left education.  
I teach at foundation degree level.  UK university courses cost approx £3300 per year.  Adobe software educational discount means it costs 15%+ of the yearly course fee.  
I don&#039;t expect my multimedia students will throw Adobe software away when they leave university, especially those who work in the media area.  Many work as contractors, so need to keep updating their skills.  Buying at an educational discount and continuing to upgrade means they can keep their skills up to date at home, thus making them more employable.  
So whilst I undersand the problem those in the commercial environment have with software pricing, don&#039;t think of it as all doom and gloom.  Educational discount means students leave college / university with exposure to and skills in the latest levels of software ... which saves you starting training from scratch, thus saving you money you can put towards .... buying the software!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why Educational Discount on software is a good thing ~~~</p>
<p>Like many in the UK, I view the cost of software with horror.  And I agree, it is not the cost of production and distribution that drives the UK prices, but rather &#8220;what the market will bear&#8221;.<br />
Fortunately, not only am I a teacher, I have two children in education.  Therefore I qualify in spades for educational discount on software.  And this does bring the price down to a reasonable level.<br />
Of course it is done for a reason ~ hearts and minds; able users in the market place; expectations set for the work environment to name a few.<br />
Educational software is not ment for commercial use.  But the licence does not run out when the student leaves education.  And students can continue to upgrade from the educational version after they have left education.<br />
I teach at foundation degree level.  UK university courses cost approx £3300 per year.  Adobe software educational discount means it costs 15%+ of the yearly course fee.<br />
I don&#8217;t expect my multimedia students will throw Adobe software away when they leave university, especially those who work in the media area.  Many work as contractors, so need to keep updating their skills.  Buying at an educational discount and continuing to upgrade means they can keep their skills up to date at home, thus making them more employable.<br />
So whilst I undersand the problem those in the commercial environment have with software pricing, don&#8217;t think of it as all doom and gloom.  Educational discount means students leave college / university with exposure to and skills in the latest levels of software &#8230; which saves you starting training from scratch, thus saving you money you can put towards &#8230;. buying the software!</p>
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		<title>By: Gindylow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gindylow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 13:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At last a writer with spine and literary balls in tact!!!

Adobe SHOULD have been reffered to the Office of fair trading years ago for PRICE FIXING. I took part in the consumer research they are talking about and it was a joke. I get to give more input when I&#039;m testing Dog food for my Pet.

It really is long overdue for Apple to do for photographers what they did for Videographers when they made Final Cut Pro.

Acrobat is over priced in the US let alone the UK, don&#039;t even get me started on splitting Photoshop into standard and advanced.

As ever I will underline the fact that the best way to get any adobe product is to contact a friend or relative living in the US or Canada, have them buy the product then ship it giftwrapped to your European address.

If they block this kind of import route, they deserve to be serial or keygenned off the face of the planet!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At last a writer with spine and literary balls in tact!!!</p>
<p>Adobe SHOULD have been reffered to the Office of fair trading years ago for PRICE FIXING. I took part in the consumer research they are talking about and it was a joke. I get to give more input when I&#8217;m testing Dog food for my Pet.</p>
<p>It really is long overdue for Apple to do for photographers what they did for Videographers when they made Final Cut Pro.</p>
<p>Acrobat is over priced in the US let alone the UK, don&#8217;t even get me started on splitting Photoshop into standard and advanced.</p>
<p>As ever I will underline the fact that the best way to get any adobe product is to contact a friend or relative living in the US or Canada, have them buy the product then ship it giftwrapped to your European address.</p>
<p>If they block this kind of import route, they deserve to be serial or keygenned off the face of the planet!!!</p>
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